Monday, February 16, 2009

What Does Equality Mean?


Lincoln's Gettysburg Address was 270 words in length. It opens with some fancy wording about how long it's been since the Founding, and then it says what this nation is about. Lincoln says that this is "a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal."

I love how clear the language is. And yet, what does he mean exactly by equal?

Does it mean that everybody in a classroom should receive the same grade? Does it mean that everybody should have the same job, and work the same hours? Does it mean that everybody's mathematical skills should be equal? Does it mean that it's unfair that I can't sing like Sinatra, play baseball like A-Rod, box like Mike Tyson, tell jokes like Steven Wright, write novels like Jane Austen, or be as wealthy as Paris Hilton?

If equality means "the same as," then it should mean that everyone should be identical in every way, and have the exact same quality of life.

Darwin, who was born on Lincoln's birthday, tells us instead that it is incremental advantages (in-equality) that are the driving force in evolution. That evolutionary success (ability to successfully mate and pass on genes) is due to very slight advantages which confer success. Perhaps it's slightly better looks, or slightly better social skills, or perhaps the ability to make a partner laugh, or perhaps it's just simply rudimentary health (depending on the context, whether one is a lumberjack, or whether one is in a Parisian drawing room, different skills would amount to different advantages), or perhaps it's the ability to understand and follow mathematics.

Are Darwin and Lincoln polar opposites: one believing that life is fundamentally a matter of equality, and the other, believing that life is fundamentally a matter of inequality?

Is there some way to reconcile the two?

In the most recent issue of Reader's Digest, there is an article about Malcolm Gladwell. Gladwell's published a recent book entitled: OUTLIERS: THE STORY OF SUCCESS (Little, Brown). Gladwell argues that it isn't IQ as much as experience in a field that gives an advantage. He says that Bill Gates spent thousands of hours computing at a time when no one else had that experience. The Beatles spent thousands of hours playing in Hamburg when no one else had that kind of time spent in live performance. "Success is the steady accumulation of advantages."

Moreover, success can come late. He notes that Paul Cezanne had his first one-man show at 56.

Hard work, finding meaning in your work, and having a lot of experience in an area from childhood on up, can give a kid a slight advantage that might eventuate in a Tiger Woods, or an Alfred Hitchcock.

Should everyone be equal to a Paul Cezanne or a Tiger Woods? Part of the fun of sports or arts is that some are so spectacular, while most aren't. Should everyone nevertheless be the same? Is that the kind of equality we want?

It seems to me that a growing number of people think that that's what equality means.

I've been reading a book called Women in Mathematics (MIT Press, 1975), by Lynn Osen. In the last chapter she makes such an argument.

Osen is dismayed that in the aftermath of the Sputnik scare in which the Russians threatened to gain an incremental advantage on the US in space, that the huge push toward mathematics and science did not eventuate in more female scientists. But she laments, "the resulting curricula changes have appealed more to males than to females. It is a problem that was not caused by educators and educators by themselves cannot solve it. But if the ideological goal of achieving TRUE EQUALITY [my emphasis] is to be realized, then women and interested educators must discuss and define concrete programs aimed at effecting change at all levels of education, attracting more women to this field of study, researching and understanding the psychological dynamics underlying the difficulties women encounter in this field, and offering compensatory training where necessary" (168).

Osen however also notes that there are of course important women mathematicians, and always have been. But there is a single advantage that these women almost invariably had. "For many of the women mentioned in these biographies, it was the early support of an intelligent and mathematically educated father that made the crucial difference in the socialization process" (165).

Certainly the state cannot afford to provide a substitute parent for all of us who lacked a "mathematically educated father" in order to produce pure equality in the creation of math genius.

Math genius, sports genius, computer genius, dance genius, athletic genius generally, literary genius, is often a matter of slight incremental advantages, probably largely caused by an influential and talented parent. Communities full of one-parent homes, or homes with stressed out fathers and mothers barely scraping by, with little or no education, and next to no higher abilities, certainly confer a disadvantage upon the children.

What's to be done about it?

One answer might be to kill all talented parents, or else take the children from such homes and place them in poor environments, and seclude them as much as possible from any kind of mental stimulation, so that other kids from disadvantaged homes will not be left behind. One could forbid the children from ever seeing their parents, and perhaps even place them in blinders, and scream at them a lot every time they go near a book.

On the other hand, schools can be built for the disadvantaged, teaching salaries raised, money can be thrown at the problem, but it seems to come down to parents, which is an evolutionary issue, in which each parent is always trying to confer an advantage on their own offspring. I admit I'm somewhat behind in math. And yet there may be time to run back through life and pick up the topic, and spring forward, algebra textbook in hand, so as to inspire my children with the fun and beauty of it, and thus give my own kids a fighting chance.

All men may be created equal, in Lincoln's wording, but there will always be various kinds of inequality as we compare across families. Some parents are more devoted than others. Some better educated, some better financed, some revealing a harder work ethic, some a less. Lincoln had part of the equation right. Darwin had another part.

Sophie Germain was a Frenchwoman "best known for her work in the theory of numbers. Here she demonstrated the impossibility of solving Fermat's last theorem if x, y, and z are not divisible by an odd prime n" (91). She was wealthy and her early childhood was spent during the years of the French terror, in which Liberty, Equality and Fraternity were the cries of the people, and people like Sophie often went to the guillotine. She spent years hiding, with nothing to do but work on mathematics. Her father had an enormous library of mathematical volumes, with which she had total liberty of accesss. She later corresponded with Gauss, and others, but her education was stymied by a system that didn't admit women. She did most of her mathematical work all alone, sometimes corresponding under male pseudonyms. She lacked the formal education to tackle the most difficult problems, and yet managed to overcome many hurdles. She had some advantages in terms of her status, and the fact of her father's library. What if she had been given better circumstances? Would she have been equal to Gauss?

17 comments:

DeadMule said...

Because it is obvious we are not all alike, maybe we should drop the "equality of opportunity" idea and just admit that everyone ought to eat and have a warm house regardless of how much math he/she knows or how hard he/she works. LOL

Skittles, The Huntress said...

"that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government : of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

I have always understood the Gettysburg Address to be about government deriving it's power from the people. And each man has a vote.

Right now, the 53% of our population, who voted for Obama, wants to tell us that expanded federal government and social entitlements are the way to equality. And everyone who disagrees be damned. That's not reaching across the aisle in my book.

But the 47% who did not vote for Obama still have an equal vote.

I admire the three Republicans (Collins, Snow, Specter) who voted against party ideals. At the same time, I admire the other Republicans for holding together and voicing opposition.

And I am dismayed by the gloating of many liberal Democrats, not unlike the comment by DeadMule. Just because the Dems have control of two branches of government doesn't mean that those who disagree have nothing of import to say.

What does equality mean? One man, one vote.

WW

jh said...

i'll chime in here from the orthodox catholic perspective
gagong!!!!

in his great work
"the acting person"
karol woytila
highlights nd enunciates the
significance of revelation
and the development of the
theological view of man
deriving from judaism and
finding a full expression in the person of jesus christ

( the bulk of the text is actually a discussion regarding human perception of human activity based on the writings of max scheler and of course thomas d'aquino)

but the working principle JP 11 is utilizing is the notion that human by its very name means equal...we are created from dust and to dust we return no matter the level of genius no matter the family pedigree no matter the advantage

our very dignity our nobility as humans comes from the ancient awareness of the distinction amid created life held by humans...that distinction holds that humans by virtue of their intellects are made in the image of god...and even without much evidence of intellect the very nature of the human distinguishes him from all other creatures...yet our very creatureliness renders us in a certain sense as equal to all creation...recent science tends to corroborate that...but if intellect is happenstance of time and genetics as hitchens and others maintain we might as well call the whole thing off... i mean anything goes...there's no historical basis for morality...humans could figure all the ethical details out without referring to god...so i say anything goes...christopher hitchens is far more valuable to the world than the maggot ridden poor of india no matter what mother theresa said or did

human depravity man's inhumanity to man comes about with the flawed education of minds...perhaps religion is partially to blame for this...inadequate education...my early catechism was...who made you?...god made me...why did he make you?...to know and to love and to serve him all the days of my life...etc etc seems to me to be the only way to suggest equality...for even the catholic hierarchy has to live by that standard

the success of christianity was fostered by the awareness of equality before god...for everyone women and men...this however has never undermined the understanding of gifts and abilities...which distinguishes how best to work for the common good...my sense and paul gives some suggestion of this in his closing comments in a few of the letters where he greets the christian people of corinth or galatia or rome - my sense is that part of what made these communities so attractive was the very fact that everyone was treated equally...charity was not allocated by class or gender...things became complicated as time went on but he first communities were marked by something superior to anything else going on at the time...and that was a threat to everyone except those who believed and benefitted and attempted to live out the dictates of christian virtue

perhaps in our world of hyper-celebrity we tend to live with the notion that there is superiority...frank sinatra never passed gas...einstein was superhuman...michael phelps is an all american boy ( i guess that's still true...part of being all american is knowing how to be bad...yeah)...we make gods of people out of the distorted cultural imagination we all carry around

lincoln at least challenged the notion that africans were less than human...if the words of the bill of rights and the constitution were to be valid at all they had to apply across the board...it was in one sense as clear as day...in another sense it was a courageous stand for he was aware of the stupidity of electorate...it cost a lot in human blood to make that stand...even so he was opposed to whites marrying blacks

the problem with darwin and the theory of evolution is that no one has ever seen it actually work
and i think we have appropriated the theory...more or less taken it into our weltanshauung...and we believe it and believe we can not only live by it but we can effect the changes we need in society to correspond to the theory...social darwinism should be abolished...scraped off the chalk board with high grade sand paper...enough already get this theory out of here

we are children of god or we are enemies vying for survival and power...where will we learn to see the spark of divinity in every human soul no matter how wretched?

the illusions of american gender conflict are facile and useless...the only way they can be sustained is by chemically manipulating the reproductive ability of women...which is an immense compromise of dignity...an easy retort to me would be the statements made by thomas aquinas concerning woman...he accepted aristotles judgment that women were incapable of philosophizing...and i think when we consider the social setting of the 14th century that was probably a fairly safe assumption...hildegard of bingen most likely never read thomas or she may have been inclined to weigh in on that...it is also true that he was in favor of education for the sisters of st dominics' order..to the extent that they were able...i suppose it was a rare woman until very recently that even expressed the desire to go into the world of high intellectual acheivemenent...it most likely looked pretty boring to them as it looked that way for most men...that that has changed is a good thing...however i do believe there is a great deal of pretense and presupposition at work...there is a dumbing down due to the shifts in education...high intellectual achievement is still something not many women aspire to...that more are taking it on is fascinating for me

the only fair judgment of equality can be proferred with humility...and with nothing else

as long as there is the grandiose illusion that there is something like equality in the bedroom (which basically means that sexual intercourse has very little to do with procreation) and that it is as important for women to be part of the workforce as it is for men (the most audacious of modern absurdities)..we will forever be constricted from speaking reasonably of equality

in the rule of st benedict there is a very commonsensical approach to understanding ones place in the ranks...there is seniority but it has nothing to do with class or intelligence or ability...everyone is equal and everyone is expected under the same rule to acknowledge one another on equal terms...there is reverence accorded the abbot but only insofar as he manifests the virtues of Jesus Christ...in our monastery the abbot takes his turn serving and cleaning up after meals...in every monastery the abbot is beholden to giving due regard to every brother...no matter his station...here again the controlling idea is that we are one in christ...and that is driven home daily...i enough of an idiot when it comes to human integrity to know now that i need daily infusions of scripture particularly the psalms...i know somehow that i bear the atrocities of mankind in my own heart and i hope somehow that i can manifest some of the glories that mark the outrageous escapade of human history

the doctrines of humanism are set up to facilitate inequality...for there is the presupposition that there will be cognizenti...the true knowers ( the framers of the humanist doctrines in the 19th century more or less believed that the structure of roman catholicism was a useful thing...just get rid of the pretense of revelation and theology and philosophy...well any philosophy stemming from the rome...any philosophy other than REASON...yet there is hierarchy in humanism don't kid yourselves

there are precious few musicians who impress me fewer actors fewer "geniuses" fewer superstars even fewer Patriot heroes...it's all a sham...fr george impresses me
he's 90 and he's a saint...next to him all the greats of the world stand like doofusses

let's get serious about this... life is ridiculous we're all clowns and god wants it that way

i found a way to resent lincoln the other day...had he not murdered by decree close to a million eligible marriable men women would have a completely different story

i want all the military to be women
then things will be equal for everyone...make-up will be permitted on the battlefield

i'm a real egalitarian

ultimately helen says it best
to the extent that we allow some people to live in hunger and poverty we compromise our dignity
and we are no matter what no better than them...to the extent that we lend a hand and buck or two to getting everyone on board we at least satisfy what christ felt it was worth dying for

only in dying to ourselves

Ed Baker said...

this is answer to "How many eligible voters voted in 2008?" :

If the Voting Eligible Population was 212,720,027 and there were 131,256,905 valid ballots counted (finally tally), then 61.7% of eligible voters voted in the 2008 Election.

so your 53 % of the population voted for Obama is nonsense..

so so about 1/2 of 62 % voted for Obama..


so 31 % of those who ACTUALLY voted voted FOR
OBAMA

hardly much of a showing but better than the "other" side..


and.
every single taxpayer in USA gonna pay taxes of a MINIMUM of $28,000

to pay for the debt as it is now as it will be with this "bail-out"

even more

the $28,000 figure was figured based on an income of up to about $100,000 higher if you make more

Skittles, The Huntress said...

Of those who voted, 53% voted for Obama, 47% for McCain, give or take a few who voted Libertarian, etc. I was not referring to the total population eligible to vote.

WW

jh said...

what obama will do about injustice stemming from biases of race class or gender is still difficult to predict...in matters of race there's been a huge swell toward justice..with plenty of work to do..plenty of selfassessment on the part of individuals...i think a huge change would come about if we as a nation would put ourselves in the position of being guests of the indigenous people here..accord them "first nation" status as canada does...allow them their own representation in congress and appoint at least one indigenous representative to the UN

i'm a bit ignorant as to the bill that is up which more or less assures that any woman desiring abortion or reproductive health care will be assured of this in any hospital...including catholic hospitals...i think this will mean that some perhaps most catholic hospitals will fold if it becomes a national law..which will mean the moral high ground of "the sanctity of life" will be compromised...this will be a kick in the balls to the catholic church...which i'm sure will be enjoyed by some...nothing like it - kicking the priests in the balls

obama should emphasize local philanthropy...where there's money there needs to be incentive to assist in the needs of the people and the agencies which help people...find ways to help people help themselves...the controlling principle needs to be "quality of life" not "annual income"...no one should have to compromise their dignity in order to serve the economic dreams of another man...unless they wish to do so...the focus on education if it is to remain public should be on the educators...this vocation should be attractive to people and educators should be paid at lest as much as doctors...fewer bombs more money for teachers and make teaching a high intellectual calling for all who dare go there

bring on the 20 hr work week
give incentives for local agriculture and food production
finance artistic education in the poor urban areas
outlaw the use of birth control
force the issue of individual responsibility
out law abortion

mr obama should take a stand
out law abortion
it is murder, ladies
sad yes
necessary - almost never
it kills the human soul

nobody owns their own body

the women need a greater dose of courage on this one

the very notion of equality is a joke if persons in the womb are being killed...if someone has the power to kill there can be little justice

americans find it difficult to face our inherent hypocricy

Kirby Olson said...

I think Finland does actually guarantee a warm apartment (not house) for everyone, irregardless of mathematical talent. But Finland is a Lutheran country.

I'm not sure the Libertarians, even the Lutherans would go for that in this country. We have the idea of to each, according to their ability, and we stop right there. I think the notion of "sharing and sharing alike" is possibly too Christian for this country, which is fraying in terms of its Christian ethos.

Instead we have the notion of keeping up with the Joneses, and there is the constant score-keeping among races, genders, and this notion that class discrepancies should be closed.

In Finland, there aren't very many people of color. Maybe about 6000 in a country with 6 million people. They are mostly from Somalia. In Somalia, the men don't do any work. The women do, but the men think that work is undignified, and only for women.

So they sit around in Finnish coffee houses, whistling at Finnish women, and making everybody kind of mad. Or at least that's the story that I think they think is true. In fact, I rarely saw Somalians in Finland. They mostly live in Helsinki, the capital, where I visited, but always with something in mind: a book I wanted, or a museum exhibit I wished to see.

I don't know what my point is here.

What could it be?

Kirby Olson said...

Oh, Finnish women are quite capable, and there is a female president. Women are quite upbeat in Finland. They can fix cars just like men. They are often scientists and academics. Lutherans accept women as pastors (in the rural areas of Finland this is still controversial, and some men won't go to a church with a female pastor).

In terms of classes, they are quite close.

Luther argued that no one in a company should make more than five times what anybody else makes. That's more or less the case in Finland. Doctors make about double what educators make, but no more than that.

The highest paid CEO's in the country pay something on the order of 90% of their income in taxes in order to float the goofballs at the margins.

Begging is against the law.

I think it works for the most part because almost everyone is a Lutheran, so the rationale behind it is plain to everyone and has been inculcated since baptism, until by the age of 20, almost everyone has been inculcated with the Finnish way, which is actually to a great extent the Lutheran way.

In Catholic countries where there are enormous discrepancies between classes and genders (France, for instance, where they actually had kings and queens, who actually lost their heads, and where they still have bishops and the male Catholic hierarchy) the notion of sharing and sharing alike is more or less absurd, I think, to those on top.

JH says that his order is more or less egalitarian, though, and that Aquinas actually wanted nuns to be educated, to the extent that they are educable.

I have to confess that as much as I admire Lutheran societies, I like the frivolity and loveliness of France much more than the stern and serene qualities of the Nordics.

The Nordics do have a sense of aesthetics (the people look better because their noses aren't as big as Strasbourg Cathedral), but it's so toned down. I like Eastern Orthodox jumbled cities like Tallinn in Estonia, and the crazy gargoyles of Notre Dame. I love walking in Catholic countries, and how everything is a pleasure.

Now if we could only do something about the noses in Catholic countries.

Lutheran noses are smaller, more streamlined, more Nordic.

And that's hard to beat!

Mathematically, we are talking about proportionality, I believe.

Nose to forehead, nose to overall facial area. What is it about Catholics and their noses? Why can't they get them under control?

Not to be nosy, but I wonder if nosiness is anybody's business? Shouldn't there be an office in the Vatican that is working on the problem?

jh said...

yeah maybe i could be the Secretary of Olfactory Dispensation

the nose knows

i smell a rat

bach had a large nose

he was basically catholic

the nose is big to smell a rose

benedict XVI has a nordic nose

JP II had a polish nose
quite large

just dawgin around

what's with the poetry contest
there needs to be some incentive
the book attracts me

will they ever make robots that have the power of smell
or that smell bad??

j

brett Swanson said...

Yes to both on the robots, jh.

I just found out a friend of mine is living in collegeville, which I hear is near your home in lake woebegone. Sweet.

WW's sudden expressions of marginalization after Obama's victory have been fast and furious - but those elected by the people to enact the political approach they ran on have the duty and right to do so.

Obama has done quite a lot to reach across the aisle - he's been a bit naive in his approach to getting Republicans on board, which for some Republicans would come off as giving in or losing.

He hasn't understood how to manipulate everyone's egos that well. Limbaugh has basically set it up that to be a Republican who wants Obama to succeed is to be a pansy -

For the past eight years, we liberals have had to sit back and watch as an incompetent administration went about the business of wrecking our economy and bumbling about in international affairs quite bumbleriffically.

I hope now you empathize some with folks' frustrations over feelings of powerlessness...

I also hope that you don't fall into the habit of dealing with that frustration in illogical, divisive, or unproductive ways.

This is what many on the left did, and i get a general feeling that righties on this board are starting to take on some of those more unseemly characteristics.

I want to stem that tendency, because I like all the intelligent, relatively reasonable conservative folk on this board.

Don't betray me!

jh said...

brett
everything in central minnesota is near lake wobegon
tell your friend that
i gather folks together every saturday night
at 9:30
for an american roots music gathering
in FIRESIDE LOUNGE
in Sexton Commons
in Collegeville
st johns
if he or she is a musician
bring an instrument

j

Anonymous said...

Republicans passed the first bailout which was really a hand-out. At least Obama's isn't 100% corporate welfare, or a reward for failing miserably at your job. Do any of you get a bonus for performing miserably at your job? Something needs to be done and tax cuts in of themselves have clearly failed. Krugman thinks it is not enough and I generally side with him as I've seen so many of his predictions come true. He also won the noble prize for economics, making his judgments far more qualified than mine.

I think equal opportunity means a level playing field to begin from. Access to housing, food and a reasonable amount of education should be available to everyone. I'm afraid that in the inner city, the three of these are not guaranteed. I also think projects should be blown up and vouchers for rent assistance should be issued to split up the poor. This way, you don't get such a proximate community for the gangs to recruit. I think if the gov legalizes drugs it would be a serious blow to the gang underworld. It would remove the major alterative economy that exists in these neighborhoods and force people to get real jobs. It may sound barbaric, but breaking the social network of illegal activity is really what needs to be done.

I cannot think of the name of the person who posited a similar idea about the jihadis. His conclusion that the single biggest factor in recruitment was, duh, social networks and social pressures. I think the same can be true of underground economies in America.

The poor need to be physically integrated with the middle and upper classes, perhaps social pressures would arrive in a different form? I didn't think this before I just explained; it seems like a pretty darn good idea though!


--Tom

Jacques Albert said...

No, brett, the Bush administration no more "wrecked" the economy than Obama can "fix" it. While bad policies can damage the economy (like the Congressional Democrats' corrupt mismanagement of the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that precipitated the economic meltdown--coupled with earlier Republican inaction when they were in power), the economy seems to follow its own path regardless of impotent decrees and empty talk from the White House. About all Obama can effect is a political solution, that is, not really to do something, but to APPEAR to do something to help the economy. And I'll agree that the Left demonized (even bestialized) Bush, to their utter discredit. But my opposition to nearly every policy put forth by the Obama administration has nothing to do with personal animus. He's likeable enough--like you, brett--just misguided. Interesting how tolerant toward political authority you've become since Obama won the election. . . . Any connection?

And, Tom, on the first bailout bill--that you say "Republicans passed"--I'll remind you that the final "yes" vote in the House was 172 Dems and 91 Reps for and 63 Dems and 108 Reps against. Seems by this that the Dems had a bigger "hand" in the first "handout" than you claimed. And sure, the academic economist Krugman (like his book-end opposite, the free marketeer Friedman) won a Nobel, but is hardly "noble" when he acts the politically-deranged op-ed polemicist. Nor am I surprized by your wacky feet-firmly-planted-in-the-air social engineering schemes
--it's become quite the fashion these days.

Anonymous said...

You may not be surprised, but you did't disprove it. Did PRESIDENT BUSH PROPOSE THAT BAILOUT? Just curious about that last little detail there. I've posted evidence of regulatory scheming, not going to look it up again.

So Jacques, what is your solution? Instead of attacking, let's hear something proactive out of your mouth. It's easy to sit back and snipe.

--Tom

Kirby Olson said...

I think Rick Warren has a nice notion of tolerance which he proposes in the pages of this month's Reader's Digest:


"Tolerance means we respect each other even when we completely disagree."

He says this is based on the fact that we are children of God, and therefore, worthy of dignity.

I think we're working on coming around to that here, which makes us the real avant-garde, if you ask me.

Jacques Albert said...

The Democrat Patronage Act (AKA "stimulus package") and mortgage bailouts follow the Carter Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 (and other regulatory acts affecting housing loans) provided the Clinton administration's Justice Department with the means to punish banks for not making risky subprime loans to many poor and minority borrowers without adequate means to repay the loans. Sure, reckless slash and burn executive thirst for quick big bonuses contributed to the housing market collapse as well, but not a few shady financiers on Wall Street are big Democratic Party contributors. Some of them have already joined the Obama administration. And now Obama proposes to regulate the housing market even more--it's like doubling the dose of poison in blind hope that it'll effect the cure.

Not everyone's entitled to own a house, Tom (myself included--I've never owned one, and probably never will).

In spite of your mere assertion that tax cuts haven't worked, I believe they have in the past and will in future, provided that they are substantial enough (corporate, individual, and abolition of the death tax--at least here the British are more honest in calling it "death duties"). But this won't of course happen in an Obama administration, so I'll be content to point out his mistaken appeals to class envy, confiscatory taxation (punishing those who can and do pay their mortgages), and redistributive zeal. You can't multiply wealth by dividing it up.

Inner city housing projects were in very large part creations of liberal Democratic Congressional legislators for corrupt liberal Democratic mayors of America's failing cities to house their dependable liberal Democratic-voting mascots. Now they're stuck with these project populations, after those with enough means or those desperate enough abandoned them. But somehow forcibly spreading the sociopaths who form or join criminal gangs around doesn't seem like a sensible solution to the problem of urban crime. However, since many of these gangs are composed of illegal aliens who've no freakin' right at all to be in this country, I suggest we step up efforts to round them up, using the military if necessary. Again, this doesn't seem likely when liberal Democratic mayors openly flout federal law by encouraging illegal aliens to colonize their cities. Perhaps your San Francisco mayor might even be interested in tapping the pool of needy jihadis to fill desperately-needed positions as community organizers.

It's amusing that you think requiring vicious thugs to get real jobs is barbaric. I don't think legalizing all now illegal drugs would have much of an effect in lowering urban crime rates, and could even exacerbate the problem, for many crimes of violence are committed under the influence of drugs. And there would assuredly be drugs available so dangerous to the public that they would have to be banned for adults as well as for children. And of course there would be other criminal activities for gangs to pursue, from cigarette smuggling to prostitution to robbery to kidnapping and to extortion--but perhaps they might already have discovered these profitable enterprises, Tom. It seems some people would do anything to avoid the barbaric prospects of getting real jobs!

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