Sunday, June 27, 2010

DOG TURDS & NEIGHBORLINESS





Every week I mow my lawn. Down by the road is a v-shaped slope, and in that area I generally find one or two dog turds. My kids, and the neighbor kids, play in that area.

Neighbors come and walk their dogs, and the dogs poop there. Some clean it up. They walk around with plastic bags, and scoop. Others don't scoop. Some scoop for the ones who don't scoop. But some don't ever scoop, and are never seen with plastic.

We who don't have dogs, but have children instead, wonder what it would be like if we let our children poop on the yards of the ones with dogs who don't scoop. I'll bet they would adore that.

I talked with the police officers yesterday to see if there was a fine for not scooping. The officer said that in the city it is 125 dollars (he had a great New York accent). The officer said there is a summons in our town, but in his memory, it hadn't been used. A boy who choked a girl on the bus was given a summons yesterday, and it went to arbitration. I'm supposed to call Kathy Fletcher, the code clerk, for details. I don't necessarily want to use the summons form, I just want to know what the law is (in general, I think the law should be reserved for only fairly severe conduct such as that which directly threatens a human life).

So, two days ago I actually caught a woman leaving a turd on my yard. I bagged it, and my wife left it on her porch (double-bagged). I've since been told by other neighbors that that particular woman is the primary source of abandoned dog turds in our neighborhood and some were excited that she had been confronted. The woman in question later claimed that she intended to bag it, but had forgotten to bring plastic. This woman is generally fairly friendly, and has other redeeming characteristics, but also has a large husband, and I have never been in a fight. I'm just wondering if I could outrun him.

At church today I spoke with the pastor who said the college kids next door have animals who poop all over his yard.

As Christians we are supposed to be neighborly. Does being neighborly also mean that we should confront those who aren't neighborly? Dogs slobber with friendliness, but I wouldn't consider this to be neighborly. If someone is leaving a filthy mess in an area where children play, and since children can't defend themselves, do adults have the duty to protect their play area from lazy adults who only care about the ease that not cleaning up after their dogs gives them? How dangerous are dog turds? Could they kill a baby if one decided to eat one? There are no babies at present in our neighborhood, but there are lots of toddlers. If a baby ate a turd that was on my yard, and it killed the baby, but it wasn't our turd, would I still be legally responsible for having the turd on my lawn?

The catechism says that not only should we not kill, but must be the stewards for life in our communities. That is, we should protect others, especially children, from the mindless activities of others.

I'm not a big fan of dogs. Ok, I see no reason for their existence in towns. They create problems by howling at night, and pooping by day, and are either way too friendly (slobbering and licking, or way too unfriendly -- growling and biting). Dogs aren't human, even though people give them human names, and pretend as if they are. They are actually wolves, and belong in the great woods hunting down deer (there are too many deer, and they should all be destroyed, to snap the Lyme chain).

Meanwhile, my apple tree has aphids. Ladybugs obliterate them, but there aren't enough ladybugs. Ladybugs are like wolves to aphids. The guy at the nursery said I should squirt the hose at them, and knock the aphids off the tree, and they wouldn't come back. He had a very nice-looking dog next to him which didn't bark. I thought it was a Corgi, but he said Scottish something. I liked the look of that dog. I wanted to scratch it behind the ears but was afraid it would tear my leg off in a sudden atavistic impulse.

I was showing the nursery guy a weird weed that grows in my backyard. He said it was "burdock." I try to dig it out but it has an immense root (several feet deep in some cases), and if I don't get it all the leaves shoot right back out of the ground. The Chinese make soup out of it. It has a gummy substance on the root that smells nice. The nursery guy (who is also a welding professor at my campus) said to use a product called Roundout, available at the Tractor Supply Store. He said he would use the old-fashioned method with a shovel.

Meanwhile, five little skunks were born on the abandoned property next door, and live underneath the pool. They are out every afternoon shopping for foliage, and chowing down. You have to comb through the phone book to find the animal removal people, and they can only get animals that are on your specific property. Some people have just moved in to that house, and got the pool going, but they are quite busy and haven't called to get the skunks removed. Baby skunks apparently don't spray, and no one sees the mother or father. At one point do the baby skunks start to spray? Already they are having standoffs with the few local dogs whose owners allow them to roam freely without a leash (we also have a summons for non-use of a leash). One local cat also roams freely, and leaves its turds everywhere.

In Massachusetts you are not allowed to disturb or remove animals. So I guess you have to let them poop on your house, and if skunks move in, you just have to move. Plants aren't covered yet, so you can still root up burdock, and eat it. Has anyone ever actually done this? I'm considering it.

23 comments:

Ed Baker said...

leave the skunks along they will eat the dog
shit and live a full
rich life.

worry more about when people start pooping on the side-walk in town

around her
if you are over 55 it is legal for a human being to pee and poop in public...

something about ole age and in conti nence

here in D.C. them politicians NEVER pick up their shit!

Kirby Olson said...

Actually, I looked up dog waste, and it's phenomenally toxic, and is a major cause of dozens of diseases, kidney failures, etc.

Get this:

"Woof-woof waste does not a good fertilizer make. It is actually toxic to your lawn, causing burns and unsightly discoloring.

Beyond your grass, it has been estimated that a single gram of dog waste can contain 23 million fecal coliform bacteria, which are known to cause cramps, diarrhea, intestinal illness, and serious kidney disorders in humans. EPA even estimates that two or three days’ worth of droppings from a population of about 100 dogs would contribute enough bacteria to temporarily close a bay, and all watershed areas within 20 miles of it, to swimming and shell fishing."

Kirby Olson said...

It's possibly even more deadly than Deepwater Horizon.

Kirby Olson said...

In India, smoe 600 million people have never visited a toilet.

America is India for dogs.

This is a very dirty place, thanks to dogs.

Wendy Hoke said...

Skunks, aphids, dogs....

Life, life, life! Just slapping you in the face wherever you go!

Did our parents scoop poop when we were kids???

I take my dog for walks every day. If she poops any place near where humans may tread, I scoop.

But if she walks up the hill to poop in the middle of the pickleweed, I leave it. Who's gonna step in it there?

For much of the world the sidewalk is the toilet....srsly! Have you been to India, Nepal, etc? I have. Watch where you step.

We Americans have become anal retentive about dog poop, a luxury much of the world can only aspire to.

WW

Ed Baker said...

a dog poop serum
I betcha
could wipe out
Lyme Disease

and also could/shouldreplace cow-chips
as fuel in third-world-countries
like California and New Mexico, and Texas, and Arizona, and (...)

and "free" us from our dependence on Big Nasty Oil!

Curtis Faville said...

Raw sewage is one of the earth's great problems. The ecosystem has a certain tolerance for waste, and human society exceeded it centuries ago. So now we "process" our waste in expensive chemical processing plants, but the mess keeps getting worse.

No doubt about it, Americans have way too many pets. But the worst aspect of that is the number of strays and abandoned pets. People are really selfish and irresponsible about pets. If we took full responsibility for our pets, we'd have a lot fewer of them, and they (the pets) would be much better off (and happier, too).

Dogs pooping on private property. There isn't enough "open ground" in most urban-suburban places anymore, to let pets roam free. Most pets in our area are well-tended, and you don't see a lot of dog shit around.

In Paris, they have these elegant green vehicles which potter around sucking up dog poop from the sidewalks. It's a very familiar thing. Parisians often carry their dogs under an arm. They even go into bars and restaurants with dogs under an arm. It seems an accepted practice. Not here.

We have two Siamese cats--we love them and they're part of our family. I love dogs too, but they're too much trouble. I couldn't imagine having to go out and walk my pet twice a day, rain or shine. What a lot of hassle!

Corgis are my favorite dogs. And wire-haired terriers. Too cute!

DeadMule said...

Kirby, I agree with everything you said through "I'm not a big fan of dogs." After that I lost you.

Dog poop is the property and responsibility of the dog's owner. And why do dogs have to walk (as in, go to someone else's yard) to poop? Surely dogs can be taught to poop at home.

Streets are for cars; yards are for children. Bag all poop and dispose of it properly.

Now as to the deer, they are free and spend most of their time in the woods. Have you ever encountered deer poop on your lawn? See, the last part is silly.

Kirby Olson said...

Helen, I'm sure you're right, but I think dog owners know how awful even the residue of dog poop is, and would just as soon put it on someone else's yard. Since it's legal, that's what they do. It's crummy, but it's human nature, rather than the dog nature, that makes them do this?

jep said...

This, Kirby, from your pastor whose lawn gets pooped on too. Being a good neighbor doesn't require you to let your neighbor do you dirt. We take the poop that gets dropped on our lawn from the house next door and throw it back into their yard. Not that anybody would notice because the lawn rarely gets cut over there. That too is quite unneighborly.

I have a "garbage can theory" about basic civilization. If all the garbage cans are out on collection day, you live in a civilized neighborhood. If the cans aren't out and the garbage is heaping up, civilization is breaking down.

Issues like garbage cans and dog poop are bottom line about civility - a precious commodity these days. Civility is neighbors being able to solve problems like this without calling in the cops.

That doesn't mean you should never call in the cops. The cops are necessary when there is no civility, which, as I said, is in all too short a supply.

So if you need to, call in the cops before the barbarians take over.

BTW, you might get better results about the dog poop problem by calling the health folks in Delhi. The cops aren't generally all that helpful anyway.

Also - about the skunks: find a way to get rid of them. Kill them if you have to. You don't want them around in the winter. We had a skunk living under our porch last winter who would, for no reason whatsoever, stink up the entire house. Skunks make dog poop seem like nothing.

Trap them in a have-a-heart trap. Use sardines in an open can as bait. Once trapped, throw a sheet or something over the contraption. Skunks won't spray what they can't see. After that, forget that the trap is called have-a-heart. Fill a big garbage can full of water and dump the trap, skunk and all, in there.

If you don't have the heart to do that, get somebody else to do it. Getting rid of the skunks has to be a top priority.

shieldwolf said...

I think your dislike for dogs reveals a deep-seated psychological issue and recommend you go for counseling immediately. Only someone who has such deep-seated issues has a problem with the dogs. You're as bad as those who dislike and want to ban all guns. The dogs and the guns are not the problem, irresponsible owners are. Please stop taking the liberal/progressive approach and get some counseling.

Brett said...

A short, aggressive comment from someone with a fake name that includes the word 'shield' (defensive, not open) and 'wolf' (aggressive, animalistic)...an off-base reference to liberalism, which one can already tell is a knee-jerk scapegoat for this person...

I think we have the beginnings of a crazy!

Wendy Hoke said...

Someone called The Lutheran Surrealist "liberal/progressive"?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Hey, Kirby. Have you checked your spam settings lately?

Har.

WW

Kirby Olson said...

I get called a "libtard" rather frequently when I post.

I don't know what's behind this.

Maybe it's just become a random meme. If you don't agree with me for any reason then you are a "libtard."

Honestly, I think people should be able to have dogs and guns. I think guns are the lesser issue. Dogs, since they have a mind of their own, should be on leashes inside of towns, or inside of people's homes.

There were 800,000 dog bites to faces of children last year.

That's a lot of surgery.

Guns don't go off nearly as often, but when they do, of course children often lose their heads over such things.

Both of them can be quite dangerous. However, I do believe that the second amendment allows us to own guns, (Chicago has banned handguns, but even there you can still own a rifle, or a bazooka).

I don't know if any city or hamlet in America has banned dogs.

But I do think if your dog ends up biting a neighbor kid, you should be held responsible as if you did it. And if your dog poops in someone else's yard, you should be responsible as if you did it.

After all, we can't hold the dogs responsible, and someone has to be accountable.

shieldwolf said...

Alas, it made me use my google account and I forgot to put my name at the end (was in a hurry) so I can see where the humor is lost.

shieldwolf is the etymology of the name "randolph" or "randall."

Being a Libertarian Christian and LCMS Lutheran, I stumbled onto this blog and found it humorous that among other posts which seemed very libertarian I found the arguments you were using against dogs to be the same sort that liberal/progressive use against guns. I thought it funny.

Just as its disrespectful to leave empty shell casings in someone else's yard, it's disrespectful to leave dog feces there. A general statute against littering should cover it, but the fine should not go to the local municipality, but the money should go to the one on whose property the litter was left. This is far more in line with Biblical principles of the Torah, the teaching of the Law in Luke 8, and far more Libertarian.

Ok, now I need to remember to put my name.

Randy Keyes. :)

Brett said...

Ah, so my instincts were wrong!

Not a crazy...just someone who made the mistake of assuming a character for the sake of humor before defining the person behind the joke.

shieldwolf said...

@Brett

Exactly.

Randy Keyes

Kirby Olson said...

I think Randy is a fairly thoughtful person now that we understand his rather original takes on things.

A libertarian member of LCMS.

Does this mean a reader of Hayek, and a watcher of Glenn Beck?

Or a reader of Ayn Rand?

Kirby Olson said...

Libertarian doesn't necessarily mean just letting anything happen, does it?

Dog turds are a form of pollution.

Does it mean that all laws are now in abeyance, and anything goes?

I do think felonious monks should not have access to guns.

The guy I'm blogging this week -- Ted Burczak (I'm now done!) is no libertarian, but I've been thinking about his centralized economic schemes. Actually, he doesn't want macro-planning by a government, but he doesn't want micro-planning by individuals, either.

He wants some kind of midi-planning by all the members of a corporation, and he doesn't want anyone to get a wage.

It's not clear to me if even a common currency is allowed. I think what happens is if your company is making bread, you get a certain number of loaves and then you exchange a bunch of those with people who make tractors for a living.

It's not clear at all. One of the top ranking people he cites is someone named Michael Albert. He has a number of videos in which he rails against capitalism. In one he says that all capitalists are like Al Capone, and that if you're like that, you shouldn't be at his talk.

It's funny as heck, but not intentionally. He simply assumes that everyone in the audience will be on the same page with him, which spares him having to make any arguments for an alternative to capitalism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOGQWk4M13U

We used to have another Lutheran libertarian named Lutheran Lucciola in our midst. We never found out her name. she lives in San Francisco, and was therefore probably afraid to give her name.

City of the Franciscan Saints and all that.

Felonious monks all over the place.

shieldwolf said...

Spent shell casings are a form of pollution as well. Don't leave your leftovers (be they from you or from someone under your authority) on another person's property.

Now, if you want to leave dog poop on your own yard---it's your own yard, leave it where you want. :)

Yes, I often will catch Glenn Beck, but its been a while. I have read some Rand, but the one who led me into the Libertarian camp was Wayne Allen Root and his book, _The conscience of a Libertarian_.

Grace and Peace,
Randy

Kirby Olson said...

I don't know where Wayne Allen Root is in his book God, Gold, and Guts, or whatever it's called (I just looked it up!) on illegal immigration and Amnesty issues. Obama presumably wants to grant amnesty to the thirty million Mexicans in the country illegally. This will give him party a majority for their lifetime.

Meanwhile, the CBO now announces that the national budget is now instead of 40% spent servicing the interest on our debt up to 60% and it's expected to rise to 100% shortly putting us into the red every bit as much as Greece.

Does Root care about this? Libertarians don't generally believe in borders, or do they?

The rising cost of healthcare (which the CBO claimed would not be affected) is blamed for the rising national debt (Wall St. Journal at least is placing the blame there).

In his first year and a half, Obama has caused the national debt to rise to almost Greek levels. And it's expected to continue, until we can't even pay the interest, and we'll sail into Zimbabwe-like turf, with spiralling inflation, etc.

shieldwolf said...

From Root's website:

*Illegal Immigration- I support securing our borders. We must first secure our borders to control the entry into our country of foreigners who pose a threat to the security, health, property or economic well-being of Americans. We must secure our bordersbefore we can deal with the issue of how to deal with illegal immigrants already in our country.
*I support making it easier for LEGAL immigrants with education & high tech skills to work legally in the USA.
*I oppose public funding and entitlements for illegal aliens.
*But I support providing a "Path to Citizenship" for 12 to 15 million illegal immigrants already here. Make it strict, difficult, and expensive- award citizenship only to those with no criminal record; who have proof of paid taxes; who learn mastery of the English language and American history; and who agree to pay a steep fine.

Grace and Peace,
Randy

Kirby Olson said...

I agree with everything that Root says, especially the steep fine. But he doesn't say how steep.

A million dollars would be too much, although what is the real price of American citizenship? Isn't it worth ten times that? A hundred times that?

I'm not sure you can put a price on it. It's the greatest thing in the whole world.

I'm not saying any billionaire should be able to buy in, either.

I think a high wall, and also a very serious penalty for anyone who knowingly hires an illegal, should be put in as a minimum.

A million dollar fine, in the first instance.

Otherwise, it's exactly like hiring slave labor. It's wrong, and people shouldn't do it.

So I think the second instance should be a full year in prison for the company's CEO.

I'm pretty sure that would put a neat stop to illegal immigration within about a year.

 
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