Wednesday, June 22, 2011

The American Penchant for Saving Peoples





Saving peoples is something I think all Americans agree upon, but is it right? Genocide is the great wrong now at the United Nations, but in the OT it was the norm. The Jews were SUPPOSED to wipe out the Canaanites because they had weird gods. They had temple prostitutes. Everything they believed was upside down. So the Jews were supposed to kill them. Instead, as with Samson, they often married them, because they thought they were cute as buttons.

If people have a weird god or set of gods, should we save them? I think we should only save other Protestants.

I'm not against saving per se. I do believe that everyone should have a savings account, and that this should begin in childhood with piggy banks.

Of course the communist left will want to smash the piggy bank, and spend it on some pork program.

But the Dems (communists) always want government to spend, spend, spend. They want to save everybody through bailouts. Not just banks and other businesses too big to fail, but whole genders, whole races, whole classes. Everybody must be saved: even non-sustainable species like the mountain gorilla.

They point to the Good Samaritan as the principle behind this. But the GS was a businessman who used his own money to save a single person. He wasn't the government. He could do what he wanted with his money. He had earned it.

The Dems want professional Good Samaritans to get to play the role of savior with other people's money. This isn't structurally sustainable, and so then we are supposed to save the saviors with even more bailout money (save their jobs). The Republicans want to put individuals back in control of their own lives: get the government out of the role of savior (although they do think the police and military are a pretty good idea).

How did America become such a believer in saviors?

We had the Civil War, and still pat ourselves on the backs for saving the slaves. We build statues of Lincoln, and everybody agrees he was a pretty good guy. He took a bullet in the head for the good and proper.

The Lone Ranger, Batman, Superman, Spiderman. Wonder Woman. To some extent these mythical creatures have grown out of the chivalry model. To some extent that has come out of the Good Samaritan. The problem of good works, preservation commissions, do-gooders, art and beauty, etc., haunt America, because of a misunderstanding of the GS parable, and a too widely applied version of it. It's at most about a single businessman who saved one single person, one time. It isn't meant to become what we do all day and night.

At this point the government is sinking into a quagmire of debt as we try to help the Afghans and the Iraqis, and we tell ourselves now that it's their women we're saving in the name of Universal Human Rights. How imperialist is it to tell a religion how to treat the other gender? Whose agenda is this? Is it at bottom a Protestant pushiness behind this pact? In most of the mainline Protestant faiths women can now pastor. And yet, in Afghanistan under the Taliban, they weren't even permitted to read. The penalty for girls caught learning to read was death. We see the inability to read as a kind of slavery.

In the OT we would see this as a problem with their gods, or god. And simply destroy them. Today, it's a sign of election if instead we want to help them. But can we help the Afghans and the Iraqis without destroying their religion?

These conversations about conservation versus "progress" haunt America. We have the completely down to earth viewpoint of Ron Paul: we don't have the money. We have the mysterious viewpoint of BO: who seems very nice until his commandos land on your doorstep or his drones take out your village.

We have a savior complex but there is a dark side to this. Batman could kill people, as did Superman. Lincoln killed a whole lot of people (just thought I'd get GM going again). To save people you often have to kill others. In the old chivalry stories there was always a dragon or an ogre that needed killing. Substitute Qaddafi, and you have the picture.

I think to the extent possible we ought to try to inculcate in others a sense of the Protestant work ethic. We ought to remember the story: give a man a fish, and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish, and he can feed himself for the rest of his life. The parable of the talents can be used as an appendix. Teach a man to fish using his own aptitudes. Teach women, too.

Calvinists thought wealth was a sign of election whereas communists see it as theft, and want to appropriate and demand reparations for whoever the wealth was stolen from. So if you set up a company and get a thousand people on the payroll the Democrats want to legislate how you have to give them insurance, and how you have to treat them, often down to the finest detail. To some extent this is good, but it can go too far until the government becomes a bully and nobody wants to run a business.

Elections turn on this distinction, and the ability of voters to discriminate between the paradigm of property as theft, and property as election. Setting people on their own two feet is difficult. It is the job of parenting, and parents aren't supposed to give up.

But when it's other people's kids, it's easier to stop. Instead of exacting gratitude by giving them checks in exchange for votes, we ought to see ourselves as getting individuals in charge of their lives. Those who won't or can't probably have the wrong gods or the wrong values. To heck with them.

"The business of America is business," as Calvinist Coolidge put it. Let people start their own businesses and use their own sense of how it should be done. Let evolution follow. A mean employer will lose employees and lose business. A mean country will stagnate, and its people will suffer, and attempt to emigrate. Situations right themselves. If government bullies businesses, they will take their business overseas.

To correct this, it is perhaps time to think about making laws that America should only help Protestant countries like Norway and Sweden and Finland. We should also only do business with such countries. All other countries suck.

We should see a valid Protestant business as being as important as an art work, and should try to buy their stuff, instead of stuff made by criminals. We should see a solid Protestant business as a good work, in James' sense. It's the most important component of America. Our Protestant entrepreneurs are our most important group. Government should spend its dime helping Protestant entrepreneurs: educating them, and getting them going, and keeping parasites (thieves) and every kind of non-Protestant off of them so they can prosper. But I guess this might violate the Establishment Clause.

19 comments:

jh said...

i'[m so reluctant to start these things off i mean one walks into a veritable labyrinththtth go ahead find your way out of that one sort of life sometimes i feel like a motherless child

oobermensch
go ahead say it pucker up your lips like you're going to kiss somebody and say ooobermenssch

nietzche go ahead say that word reall slow and clear like a knife slicing a sheet of paper real neat like

2 little words that make a political poem

life has been a lot better since nietzche one thing about him is that people like to read his works and get real excited about his rebellious intellectualism condemning all things except for his syphillus riddled brain of course that could happen to anybody so it's no big deal i'm just sayin...

superheroze say that
we need em
we need comic book fantasy like everythinng will somehow be OK because superheroze help us at least distract us long enough to believe they're helping us and well as long as the imagination is busy there won't be too many revolutions in the streets it's when the young think they can actually do something that all hell breaks loose and they start organzing anarchy

money flows through us none of actually ever have any it just is there for awhile and then it dispersed into elsewhere yeah that's where it all goes to elsewhere so it doesn't make any difference if we have to do face lifts and breast replacement operations on the economy at least people are doing something like every woman now who comments professionally on the economy all these wonder economic babbler women talking money money money and their jewlree sparkles like heaven

wall streake wheat

naw kirby my friend it's over the tears have started men are crying on TV because the oooberfrauzen finally got them by the ballz and are squeeezing

what matters now is leisure
will the men be able to kick back and watch rome burn or at least watch a hollywood depiction of such an event and call it true

and then go fishing and talk about it with their pals
hey did you hear rome burned the other day
yeah people just stood around and watched
superman flew over but even he thought it was too hot

nietzche was the arson who tickled missus o'leary'eez cow what she was doing in rome is still a mystery

anyway wonderwoman clones from everywhere with breast enhancements came with buckets and put out the fire

yeah well they say denver is the new religious center of the world all the popes are moving to denver

there'll be a ruling board of directors with the dali lama and the pope and gloria steinem or maybe shirley mclain all sitting at the helm and giving orders

and spread it around they will
till the whole world is fertilized

i gotta go eat a free lunch

:-)

jh

Kirby Olson said...

JH I know I should show more charity to the Catholics since it is their umbrella under which we can continue to keep our powder (I almost typed in power!) dry. Don't cry.

The thing is that I don't know about the Counterreformation and its zeal for keeping the masses illiterate which means the Portuguese, the Irish, the Italians, the Mexicans are still centuries behind Protestant northern Europe.

Should we enable people from disabling religions?

Islam and Communism are no doubt the worst offenders, and Catholicism is not too bad.

James claimed that Ireland is almost up to date. But Irish people are always throwing a fit, hence, Ire-land. I think this is because their houses don't have insulation.

And so they have to go to beer bars to park their carcasses to get warm, and then their thinking is soggy with beer bellies and pretzels. (Do Irish bars serve pretzels? If not they should. I've almost never been in a bar but peeked into one once and I think I saw pretzels turning slowly under a hot lamp.)

But Irish prosperity my Finnish brother in law informed me was built on various tricks to game the EU via loopholes and wasn't really built on true entrepreneurial insight as demanded by the PWE (Protestant Work Ethic).

You have to not only work but provide a true service, like pet rocks, or something, that kids will like, or adults will like, but which is also good for them, unlike beer and pretzels, which rot you out.

Call me starchy but I think oatmeal and potatoes are good for you as long as they are not blighted.

I wish I could fly.

jh said...

portugal brazil spain mexico all these countries were just fine until the idealists got in the marxists and the lockean adam smithies they fought it out in post colonial sword fighting and they both supressed the church because well the church more or less insured a spread it around ethic so that desperate poor people did not have to act desperately but once they upped the ante to phuq the rich rise up with the poor then the church got nudged out they the idealists that is started executing men and women priests and nuns and do gooders who advocated for a sharing economy one imbued with jesus' sacred heart of love

even jose saramago admitted that he learned to write in a catholic grade school...his writing would be petty had not the catholics formed his timid little portugesa soul

get that sacred heart crap out of here they said this is war and we will topple the rich and make a new rich class like milton friedman wants milton the new foreign policy ooobermensch

it was when the mexicans had to respond to the quick buck certainties of the north that they started thinking hey how can i make a quick buck off of a culture that places greed and pleasure above all things...before that there were rancheros and caballeros and fiestas and mariachis everywhere and people were happy but they had to feed the desires of el norte
quick crops bales of it table spoonfuls of it packets of it like snow and herbs from the gods get rich quick was the theme and that made a lot of money

the church in mexico has been reduced to a sort benign ineffectualness of neutered ineptitude because commie atheists who were really capitalists in the end got into power and they wanted to be more or less without ethics so the church who needs 'em??

how to manage the greed
the monster to the north
and the monster within

brazil too in the 18th and 19th century was fairly stable everyone got along they were left alone to prosper and they did slowly like a timid young man before a well rehearsed lady of eyeshadows

the biggest problem with the counterreform came about with a nodding recognition that maybe the protestants have a point

now we see that they don't and they never did
they continue to make god in their own image and he continues to look like wonder woman with breast enhancements sort of an astarte for the brave new world

the churches' approach to saving is hey come on in and be saved kneel right down and be saved talk about your wretched life before god and be saved...and then maybe if you're up to it go out and save someone else in god's name offer a blanket or a bowl of soup maybe even get the govt to clean the streets and make the water run clean and get some health care available so people can have a sense of well being while they're indeed being saved for the only measure of govt is that which measures the consideration for the most needy citizens

the fat cats with gas in their airconditioned offices sitting there reading WSJ and farting while their greed seethes through the streets yanking money from the very pockets of the people

the protestant work ethic basically claimes hey you can be greedy you earned it you are a pelagian wonderchild so go satisfy yourself in the endless carnival of tangible illusions and spend spend spend that hard earned well earned earnest money money that is elusive anyway ephemeral really just spend it and then bow down to milton friedman at the little shrine at the end of wall street and say
oo what a lucky man i am

money is like love in that it only means something when you offer it to someone else...with no strings attached

if you give all your money away it is no gaurantee that you will be loved in return it merely will give you a sense of freedom for a day or so that you otherwise would not know

jh said...

i'd be all for the american business model if we could take down all the billboards OK you can be a business but you have to do it through your own wits not through some glitzy ughly sign that points to what a wonderful person you are and you're offering something that everyone really wants or needs and isn't that just so special here let's advertize this

take all the pictures away take all the publicity away do away with the visuals and just do business as a matter of virtue and ability

the photo takes precedence over reality presumes preferability and pilfers epistemology of all it claims to know

now these days they're putting the faces up there the human facs of these wonderful business people who are o so friggin friendly you just can't stand it so don't stay away long come and get something you don't need come and fill your cup to the brim with inessentials come feed at the troughs of superfluity let the protestant work ethic work for you

the catholic church took wealth and made art of it the protestants took wealth and made robots of the people automatons who don't read books anymore in an effort to make things more efficient and neat like a german city...the protestant work ethic meets jewish economics and the catholics just stare in disbelief but then shruggingly they sort of go along with the whole thing too and why not you can't fight city hall or wall street or the masons for that matter those phuqqing idiots

hey kirby have you ever entertained a mason over here
i'd like to know
those people really scare me

the catholics acclaim all the time we are a community of sinners
that's what makes us special
we stand before god seething with sin
and somehow that helps us to deal with the horrors of a world run amok with protestant work ethix

had it not been for hitler the european countries of the north would never have known the sort of good life they enjoy now

maybe they should all just have a hitler day you know sort of praise of the mighty superheroez day

in his failure a new order sprang up and it's like he's in a back room still dictating some of the policies but nobody knows everyone just thinks it's all about well managed social democracy and locke and keynes for ever

the perverted church doesn't have much to say caught with her pants down
being spanked by angry nuns
with guns

the whore of babylon is scratching her puss filled scabby wounds and yawning

where's my coffee -she schrieks

what's it all about alfi

jh

Kirby Olson said...

Giving your love to someone with no strings attached is a recipe for disaster. That's how orphanages begin. You have to have a marriage contract. This love word again. People of a certain age bandy that word around like it's a ping pong ball. It's only ok if it's bounded by serious promises and legal contracts signed by parties and overseen by appropriate authorities. OMG.

jh said...

orphanages were the result of war and disease traditionally

as long as we bring chivalry back to the scene any sort of love will be OK as long as chivalry is the standard

love is a love of love and love loves to love love for when loving there is nothing but love for love

god so loved the world

read cs lewis the 4 loves

it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing

i still try to believe that there is such a thing as love poetry in the 21st century
but like towers falling to rubble so too is the language of the only thing that makes civilization worth trying

neil young can still sing touchingly about love but nobody else seems to

i give you a new commandment...

that sounds familiar some how
who said that what was that all about

i think everyone here needs to weigh in with how much we love kirby he's a little insecure around the notion

so with the finest tearfelt language possible in the 21st century let's all tell him how much we love him

he can't quite bring himself to admit it but he wants some sort of sincere expression of our love for him or else i feel he might just close lutheran surrealism down
and set out to eradicate both marxism finally and ticks ultimately...we only have so much time after all

who's on first?

!JH

jh said...

you never know until you try

strings accrue no doubt

meditate on the song of songs today

you're getting too involved with a narrative of kings

if there is a lesson to be learned from the faild aristocracy of the israelites it is that there is something more important than govt

i can't get away from the rain

kirby go downtown and go to the catholic worker house and try to offer those people a smile at least

mother theresa attached no strings to healing desperate people get healthy again and yes you could argue for what to go back into a world of squallour but not only that with health there is the ability to do something and life becomes itself so there's a bumper sticker that says

i commit random acts of kindness

watch out for those people

troublemakers for jesus

clowns with dementia

active surrealists

they're out there
learning to waltz with
souls locked in lockean freemarket fears
it won't be long before we all realize how completely stupid it was to let people own land to rent it is a little closer to the truth
to understand oneself as a steward and beneficiary of the land is a whole nother tragiccomedy

who figured out the idea of space for sale above the ground all these high rises of boxes stacked on boxes in the air for sale places lodged with supports in the air that are worth money - how many human's can you get to dance on the top of one piece of prime manhaatan real estate

here's where the two kingdom thesis faulters yet i'm coming to see how it fits into surrealist theory by prposing something very sensible about the inchoate dimensions of primeval distinctions in a realm of convoluted participation in diverse and discombobulating atmospheres

save your ass
save your money
save your cards
save your souls
save your saviours
buy 2 get one free and
save save save

jh

adieu

jh

Kirby Olson said...

I'm not against love per se, but I don't think it's all you need. You also need an effective diet plan. I'm trying a new one called the MacDougall. I've lost nothing on it the first week but it's because it's so boring. You can eat starches but nothing else. So I tend to flick chocolate down the hatch out of desperation, and my stomach bulges right back! I love food. But you can't just let love be the whole answer. You have to also hate extra weight with all your heart.

We need to create an efficient economic system like an efficient metabolism or else all kinds of seeping rot and fat gets in and clogs the pancreas.

Everybody has to have the Protestant work ethic. We must constantly be looking for economic opportunities! Come on, people, let's function!

First we have to save ourselves which means get busy and do something functional. Go for a jog, sell a book, buy an orange but don't eat it, unless you've done your exercises, jump up and down, then do your toe-touches, jump on the rings and lift yourself up a la the Olympics and pretend it's Germany in 1936 and it's you against them Nazis.

Twist and turn a lot.

Don't just twitch and shout about love. Love is a good thing but it's the cherry on top of the cake. It's not what you need it's what you desire. What you need is an economic system that is like a strong and hearty metabolism.

Drink tea and cut the grass. Hate the indolent and the criminals! It's ok, think of the criminal Gehazi and the tricks he tried to play! It's ok to hate him. God did.

Kirby Olson said...

JH this is much appreciated but I think there's a discrepancy between this world and the next, and we are caught between two kingdoms. Normal Lutherans used to understand this, but more and more I find Lutherans who don't, and who think the two are deeply interpenetrating. That's a mistake. The Sufis understand the Two Kingdoms thesis, I think. Here's a Sufi story:

Trust God But Tie Your Camel

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There was once a man who was on his way back home from market with his camel and, as he’d had a good day, he decided to stop at a mosque along the road and offer his thanks to God.

He left his camel outside and went in with his prayer mat and spent several hours offering thanks to Allah, praying and promising that he’d be a good Muslim in the future, help the poor and be an upstanding pillar of his community.

When he emerged it was already dark and lo and behold – his camel was gone!
He immediately flew into a violent temper and shook his fist at the sky, yelling:
“You traitor, Allah! How could you do this to me? I put all my trust in you and then you go and stab me in the back like this!”

A passing sufi dervish heard the man yelling and chuckled to himself.

“Listen,” he said, “Trust God but, you know, tie up your camel.”

Curtis Faville said...

Well, where to begin....


"The Dems always want government to spend, spend, spend."

The Republicans have been as profligate as the Democrats in this regard, except they want to spend on different things. On wars of choice, on tax-breaks for the rich, on subsidies to extractor corporations. It was the Democrats who spearheaded fiscal conservatism in the 90's, and the Republicans who killed the surplus under Bush, with the wars, and the tax breaks.

"They (Dems) want to save everybody through bailouts."

It was the Republicans who fashioned the huge bailout for the financial sector, not the Democrats. We were all going to go down the tubes if we didn't give the banks a trillion dollars. Then, those bonuses kept right on coming.

"The Republicans want to put individuals back in control of their own lives."

Actually, they want to control our lives. Take away rights, investigate everyone, ignore the Bill of Rights, and make the middle class and poor pay the bills for the profligacy and indulgence of the rich.

"[Lincoln] took a bullet in the head for the good and proper."

Naw, Lincoln was assassinated by a crazed Southern sympathizer, bitter about the South's defeat. There's no symbolic significance in the assassination.

"The Lone Ranger, Batman, Superman, Spiderman. Wonder Woman. To some extent these mythical creatures have grown out of the chivalry model. To some extent that has come out of the Good Samaritan."

The super heroes are hybrid knights figures, not good samaritans.

"At this point the government is sinking into a quagmire of debt as we try to help the Afghans and the Iraqis, and we tell ourselves now that it's their women we're saving in the name of Universal Human Rights."

When Bush was in control, the knee-jerk conservative shock-jocks told us we had a duty to liberate Iraq and Afghanistan, that we could expect to fight those wars for decades--it was our sworn obligation--to finish the job that Cheney and the Wolf had begun. But now that Obama inherited these messes, the shock-jocks can't wait for us to exit. Even Kirby was whining about the poor Afghan women, persecuted and trampled upon--and now he wonders why were "saving them" in the name of Universal Human Rights."

End Part I

Curtis Faville said...

Part II


Which is it, Kirby, do we have to save the world, or get our own house in order? Is staying in Iraq and Afghanistan an example of our excessive do-gooderism, or is it decent policy? I think you're completely contradicting yourself here.

When Bush was in power, money and budgets and deficits didn't matter. We'd deal with those problems "someday." Now that Obama's been dealing with these issues, it's all about the deficit, stupid! Where were the Republicans when Bush decided to take us into endless wars of attrition, with no end in sight? Where were the Republicans when our banking regulations were scrapped in favor of "broker-banking" and "credit default swaps"? They were crying out for "freedom" and "the right to strike it rich".

Boy, did we ever strike it rich. America lost its investments and equities and jobs and pensions and health coverage.

American business is presently "sitting on" a trillion and a half dollars in "cash reserves." It refuses to hire Americans, or invest in America. Instead, Americans are asked to pony up by cutting government programs, paying higher taxes (while the rich get off scot free), and working harder for less. Jolly good!

And we're supposed to welcome in all these foreign nationals, give them the best education, the best jobs, and full privileges. As for Americans, they'd best shut up and sit down. The rich know best, and we should trust them to set things right. They proved that in the financial crisis.

Let's start a business. I'll sell strawberries out of boxes on the neighborhood corner. You can sell hotdogs in front of the city hall. Soon we'll all be rich and can retire to the south of France.

On Sundays, we'll all pile into church and give thanks for our god-given rights to live in freedom and harmony.

jh said...

dude curtis
do you know of the john coltrane
church
of jesus' love in SF i'd like to attend that church

straberries harveststed lovingly
by illegals aliens
think about the am ha aretz
america stands as a vigilante
does she
with a fly swatter

rich mans' rodeo


every town a wood worker of repute
every town a potter
every town a baker of fine bread
every town a cobbler every town green house gardeners every town a plethora of fresh egggs every town a bottle of wine
every town a song or two

medicine should be considered a craft and not a high paying position

america does quite a bit in terms of philanthropy in the world she could do more i still think we well might release all the junkies from prisons and have them fight the afghanistan front and we coud say you know it's about finders keepers shift the dynamic a little bit away from oil and to the monetary power of opium

the super heroes are stand -ins for the saints the interior of thousands upon thousands of catholic churches were filled with saints saints of every stripe saints of every nation sainsts of every sort super heroes they are no longer pertinant

so we have super heroes

the imagination needing somewhere to go

we rarely admit that hollywood leaves a vvaaccuumm

the wierd thing abouut kirbeez political ranting and raving and blubbering and whining and screaming and seething and all manner of vituerpation and lauding his own goddang people like they're the crem della crem

if every man was willing to farm a valley hther'ed be more than enough land and food and things would be less crowded

there's more land than we can shake a stick at

the republicans want their garages full of all kinds of shit they will never use and then reserve the right to have a garage sale in the spring and then buy more shit beause the wife thinks shopping is fun and eveyone needs something to do whereas the demos want to demonstrate that democracy demonstrates the demonstrative democratic demolitions of demonstrative social rhetoric or something like that...and yes a few more taxes because in effect you know and i knowo that nobody owns money any more they used to be ablel to own money but now they do not own money they have it for a while and then it's gone so WTH spread it around...the rich have more than enough and they admit so spread that shit around if govt feels it's worth being around then they should give some of their time to helping people who can't help themselves...i f govt has to be but a filter through witch which money filters adn is gotten for one things and thens uses ueses usetat uses used
this computer has it's own mind i'm so sorry it is a smart machine

jh said...

everyone notice how smart eveything is today

america
a culture of smartypantses
and loud music

the music just gets louder and louder doesn't it

when criminals run the country the country could be said to be criminal itself...i'm not saying anything definitively you understand i mean don't quote me or anything it's just that it would stand to reason

america saved granada that was huge
i think we may have saved northern ireland from a boloooldbath i think croatia was a minimal success hawaii we saved that place and our president reflects the goodness of that decision secretly i think he's a hawaiian he plays ukelele late at night while he blows smoke from camel straights out the window poland we saved poland lichtenstien was a in torubel we saved lichetenstein we let macao go to the chinese with narry a drop of blood being shed and hong kong cong cong too

what doesn't seem to happen in our political system is creativity i thought the brief tendency to elect world wide wrestlers like jesse ventura and buffed up hollywood megalomaniacs but no we just can't bring anything that is really classy and imaginitive out there...michelle bachman o come on pawlenty pawlenty of boring and what is it with these republicans i think they're trying too hard they see the democrats being successful with down home global takeovers adnthey cringe and they wake up inthe morning and they say

no sirrEEE we're not going to be bamboozled by these well meaning money grubbers no sirrEE

we're going to do the tole business thing get out there and turn the world on a good course one that follows the bible and good sense like arnold shwarzzenaegger has look at california i think we should let california be it's own nation let all these big places reestablish as nations with the rest of us being granted rights of immunity and disspassionate disregard

why can't people just leave everyone else alone

love

JH

Kirby Olson said...

Obama tripled the deficit, and we're now lost, that's why it's so crucial now. Also, it's important that the two parties go after one another and not stand on principles. The two parties are a kind of mutually antagonistic notion that works something along the lines of the checks and balances that Madison envisioned. In this sense, what the Republicans do to the Democrats when they are in charge is something like what a prosecuting attorney does to a defense witness. And vice versa. Truth doesn't matter so much, because truth is a question of whose side you are on. So it's ok for the Republicans to drag the Democrats through the mud and question their values, and laugh at them. It's almost very important. It's a service to the country.

I don't like it as well when the Democrats do this to the Republicans, but fair's fair, and both sides should be as unfair as possible without actually breaking the law.

Only in this way can we have clarifications.

Obama is a brainless spendthrift. Whether this is true or not it is something that the Republicans must allege, because they are the party in opposition.

We used to have God that would strike down the bad people. Miriam (Moses' sister) asked whether she wasn't Moses' equal, and God struck her with leprosy and turned her snow white. That was her answer.

Today, God is more reluctant to speak clearly, although he does assign diseases to the bad people, they usually find other etiologies that are more secular in origin and have to do with transit points, often sexual in nature, rather than metaphysical.

I wish God would be more openly judgmental of bad people and strike them with leprosy more often. This would clarify things.

I love this account in Exodus and Numbers of what happens to presumptuous Miriam:

"Miriam and Aaron question Moses’ exclusive religious authority, since they consider themselves to also have been prophets.

'They said, 'Was it only to Moses that God spoke? Did he not speak to us as well?

God hears and calls all three to the door of the tabernacle. When they arrive, God states to them that Moses has a much greater authority than Miriam and Aaron; indeed, He chooses to speak to Moses face to face, rather than merely through dreams.

In anger, God subsequently visits a punishment on Miriam, giving her tzaraat turning her “white as snow.” According to the rules concerning tzaraat, Miriam must then live outside of the camp, in isolation, only being allowed back when Moses intercedes with God on her behalf. Nevertheless, God insists that she still be punished for seven days. (Numbers 12:10-14). Tzaraat was an illness traditionally translated to be leprosy, while it really is something more like skin cancer or vitilago."

Even better is what happens to Jezebel. She was Ahab's mean wife -- kind of like a Mrs. MacBeth. At one point she is thrown out of a castle window and by the time she hits the ground all that's left is her skull and skeleton. There's no flesh! It's incredible, and lovely. Talk about a Judgment!

These days everything is about tolerance so you can't tell what people really think about anything. Everything is kind of vague, which makes me sick.

we have to wait four years for a year. You'd think Scott Brown was the vote of judgement on BO. But many say it wasn't, and that we have to wait until a year and a half to hear the final verdict!

This will seem like forever! And wouldn't you know, maybe people will back this spendthrift maniac again, and he can get even more communist ideas out into the open to poison the American Way.

stu said...

Kirby,

Obama tripled the deficit, and we're now lost,

Obvviously, you don't give a damn about the truth, because we've called you on this lie repeatedly.

The deficit in 2009 (the last Bush fiscal year) was 10% of GDP. The deficit in 2010 (the first Obama fiscal year) was 9% of GDP, an improvement in debt/GDP despite the reductions in GDP that were a consequence of unregulated Bush-era financial excesses, and the unwise repeal of Glass-Steagall. The deficit in 2011 is predicted to be 11% of GDP, and then it starts to go down pretty quickly.

I'm disgusted by this repeated lie, which essentially bills the Bush-Paulson TARP program to Obama, as well as the financial crisis that took place before Obama took office (indeed, before he was elected, and while the election was still very much in doubt).

It is also a lie that the deficit increases have resulted in a catastrophe. Of course they're not sustainable, but we're no where near long-term maximums of debt/GDP. Long-term sustainability simply requires that the average deficit be less than the average GDP growth rate, like it was back in the Clinton administration.

And the thing that really pisses me off about this lie is that the intent is purely political -- the Republicans hate Obama, and willing to wreck the economy to blame it on him. The fundamental dishonestly of this position is apparent if you look back at actual Bush-era fiscal policies. No paygo. Cheney said "the debt is irrelevant." Irresponsible tax policies, whose only justification was "political bounce."

Kirby Olson said...

About 4 trillion was caused by Obama and his policies of the 14 trillion currently held according to the article in Wikipedia, United States Public Debt.

However, Obama's policies are projected to cause the debt to go up to about 20 trillion dollars. And that's probably a lowball estimate:

"The 2010 Budget proposed by President Barack Obama projects significant debt increases, both in terms of dollars and relative to GDP.[44][45] The debt was projected to nearly double to $20 trillion by 2015, but was expected to increase to nearly 100% of GDP by 2020 and remain at that level thereafter. The estimates assumed real GDP growth (after inflation) ranging from 2.6% to 4.6% annually from 2010 through 2019, which exceeds Blue Chip consensus estimates.[46] These 2009 projections were subject to revision as the debt had in fact reached about 96.5% of GDP by FY2011, much earlier than 2020."

Ron Paul, among other Republicans, has promised to get the thing in order. Obama promises us a lot more debt.

Instead of saving peoples, a lot of people in the Republican party instead believe that we should save our money.

Now that Obama is president, I agree (I don't think he knows why we're in Afghanistan or Iraq -- Bush did, and sold me on it -- but Obama is just doing it because Bush did it.)

At any rate, Ron Paul's simple convincing statement, "We don't have the money," made me wonder what we're doing. 20 trillion in debt under Obama by 2014 if he gets reelected.

Kirby Olson said...

I think we have to realize when we elect a president that we are basically trusting them with the credit card. As with profligate teenagers, we need to get the credit card back from BO, and close down his cellphone, too. Otherwise, he'll buy stuff with his cell.

Kirby Olson said...

He has too much hope to ever change. A very teenagerish motto: hope and change.

We need someone with their feet on the ground with a motto along the lines of: never take your eye off the bottom line.

Brett said...

Has there ever been a president who was elected that Didn't have some kind of vacuous campaign slogan?

I mean, the Rogue/Maverick thing with Palin was just as, if not more laughable than, the hope/change.

And I guess Bush's 'Yes America Can' IS a lot different than Obama's 'Yes We Can.'

Which he actually stole from Chavez, and I can imagine Bush having stolen from Chavez too, what with his being a border governor.

So, again, you're doing the ol' tack of condemning a Democrat for doing something that ALL politicians do.

If you're going to say 'doing this makes the Democrats worse,' it should be something Different from what Republicans do.

Otherwise, you're really, simply, and (sorry) stupidly wrong.

I really think you should just become a libertarian - If you supported Ron Paul and not Bush, then your criticisms would make sense.

But since you support Bush and the wider Republican party, you're in a whirlwind of hypocrisy.

 
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