We went to Rhode Island over the last couple of days because my wife had arranged with a young and very talented photographer to shoot our children on a sand dune.
So, we loaded up, and drove across the state to the border of Connecticut and over. The traffic in New Haven was intense, so we were about a half an hour late.
I unloaded the children and wife in a town called Watch Hill, Rhode Island, about a mile from the western border with Connecticut. This town is on a jutting spit of land and features delis, art shops, an old-fashioned carousel, a light house, and 17 million dollar homes (according to the Real Estate window). Parking was difficult as most parking was for residents only, as were most of the beaches. A sign said, "Private beaches, but public toilets!" As if this was fair compensation. I used the toilet then spent an hour trying to find my family. I couldn't, so I got a local newspaper and sat by the Carousel, watching kids go around and try to catch the brass rings.
The local paper had a story about high school bullying and suggested that schools set up anonymous suggestion boxes.
Meanwhile, I moved in front of the Real Estate Office, because some parents were anxiously staring at me near the Carousel (thinking me a potential perp, perhaps), and got out Deconstructing Obama, by Jack Cashill. Cashill is a popular conservative writer who has tried to argue that all of Obama's written work is really that of terrorist Bill Ayers. His book was published in 2011 and I don't know for sure why I'm reading it. I wanted to see what methods he would use to demonstrate the link. It's summer and I wanted to read something way out of my usual territory. When this book came out in late Winter I read about it and was interested but just now got around to reading it. From the start of the book Cashill makes it clear he HATES CNN, and liberals, and can barely stand them, but he is kind of funny about it, and is difficult to just write off. He has a Ph.D. in English, and at least writes clearly.
The first forty pages say nothing except how he got interested in making the link between Obama and Ayers and how he hoped to wreck Obama's candidacy with this link in 2008, but he didn't make the deadline.
Then, he offers a comparison on p. 48 between Obama's prose and Ayers' prose:
Here's Ayers from a book called Fugitive Days:
"I picture the street coming alive, awakening from the fury of winter, stirred from the chilly spring night by cold glimmers of sunlight angling through the city" (cited on p. 48).
Here's Obama, from Dreams:
"Night now fell in midafternoon, especially when the snowstorms rolled in, boundless prairie storms that set the sky close to the ground, the city lights reflected against the clouds" (48).
They're both discussing Chicago. I've been to Chicago only once so can't vouch for the accuracy of either description. Suffice it to say that Cashill believes there is a close match between the two passages, and uses the Flesch Reading Ease Score to indicate they both receive a score of 54 on a scale of 1 to 121.
Then he argues that Obama's use of the word "midafternoon" is striking, especially insofar as Ayers uses the term, too. This may be because it is frequently used in Chicago. Cashill is from Kansas. I've lived in the northwest and the northeast and haven't heard the term used, but it might be a regionalism, especially if there is something weird about the midafternoon weather in Chicago, as the passages indicate.
I shrugged my shoulders and looked up. The family had returned from the shoot, and all were still alive. The photographer Sarah and her husband Wes were young people making a living in Mystic, CT. We chatted for ten minutes or so. Wes said he works at a factory that makes airplane parts in Groton, and he seemed sensible, down to earth, and very soft-spoken, all of which were to me very appealing qualities. He told me that Conan O'Brien has a house in Watch Hill. As we drove out of town there was a gigantic hotel looming over the ocean and the full moon glittered down over the water. Elegant people pulled up to the hotel. It looked to me as if the recession had never hit Watch Hill. I was just so glad it wasn't me keeping the economy going or having to show up at fancy hotels like this. I much prefer to remain quiet and mostly unseen.
We then went to our motel in a town called Westerly, and checked in. The price was quite high: about 90 dollars, but we paid it. Then we went to Wal-Mart to buy groceries and a sleeping bag, because the beds were tiny, and I would end up sleeping on the hard-wood floor. The reason we chose the motel (Aqua Inn) is that they promised internet service, but we couldn't make it work, and the Indian man and his wife were asleep and we didn't want to wake them.
We got up and went into the swimming pool. I supervised the kids while Riikka caught up with email (another resident of the hotel and the Indian couple's third-grader explained how to log in, although the mother didn't know and the dad was elsewhere) and packed. Some workmen with tattoos were building a watercourse near the pool, and all five were chainsmoking. As we checked out one of the men said to me, "I rarely comment, but you deserve a prize for attentiveness to your children. We rarely see that here."
My son said, "Dad, if he said you deserve a prize, why didn't he give you one? Shouldn't you get a real prize?"
That son is going into fifth grade. He's already better than me at math (quicker in addition and subtraction), but his understanding of analogical language needs work, or perhaps just more experience.
In the late morning we went to the beach in Misquamicut, RI, and although the beach was free you had to pay for parking. All day was 25 dollars most places but we found a place for 12 dollars, and walked over the sandy dunes to a seven-mile long beach filled with parasols and probably a half million visitors. The cumulous clouds drifted over rapidly as there was a strong wind. It was about 72 degrees. People ate onion rings and hamburgers and cotton candy and other glop and smoked cigarettes.
I stood in the surf and worked forward in the Cashill book, underlining passages while children surfboarded and threw peewee footballs and seagulls soared overhead (one hit me directly with poop, so I was forced to wade in and wash off before continuing the book).
Suffice it to say that Cashill believes that Obama is not a writer, and so could not have written Dreams From My Father. He thinks that someone else did, and builds the case that Ayers did.
I was willing to entertain this idea. He finds striking resemblances between Ayers and Obama's writing in terms of sentence structure, nautical references, and an ur-text that is perhaps found in the works of Joseph Conrad, especially Heart of Darkness. I kept reading, and was willing to buy some of it.
I was willing to entertain the notion that Ayers had written the book. I hadn't read much of Ayers, but in the tiny passage above, there is, in addition to the quantitative resemblance, an enormous difference IN QUALITY. Obama's passage is so far superior to the Ayers' passage that it struck me with a huge force. Whoever wrote the Obama passage has an enormous sympathy for the world, is outwardly turned toward it, and loves the world deeply. The Ayers' passage on the other hand is bitterly twisted and inwardly turned, and whoever wrote it felt lost and half-crazy as they wrote. That's a subjective reading, but let's read them again to try to substantiate the difference.
Here are some of the words in the Ayers' passage: "fury," "cold" "chilly" and "angling."
"Fury," is an especially bitter term.
Something is wrong with the person who wrote this passage. They are paranoid and ready to strike back against a too-harsh world.
In the Obama passage on the other hand, "boundless" prairie storms come rolling in, and the city lights are reflected in the clouds: a fascinating and beautiful image. One hates the world. The other loves it, with an almost "boundless" love.
There are superficial resemblances, but one of these writers has an ugly view of the world, and the other writer's is sublime. Based on this passage, I don't think they are the same writer.
I was now on about p. 200. The wind was blowing hard and my older daughter complained of a headache. Our older boy was having a great time with his surfboard (it's just a tiny thing, but resembled a surfboard), so we said another twenty minutes. He glided on waves and was proud of his prowess.
We packed up and got back in the car, and drove back through Connecticut and stopped at the IKEA in New Haven. The kids and I had the cheapest specials (about $2.50 for macaroni and cheese with a drink), while Riikka shopped for solutions.
Back on I-84 we got home and I finished unpacking, let the comments through, went to bed, and finished the last ninety pages of the Cashill book this morning.
In the last ninety pages Cashill's credibility slips badly. I'm no progressive, but when he compares them to a great white shark, I stopped and underlined:
"A liberal can have a fixed set of values, much as conservatives do. But a progressive, by definition, is always progressing. Like a great white, if one stops moving, it dies" (223).
An absolutely fascinating image that recalls Woody Allen's description of love from Annie Hall (is that correct?). But Allen's use of the term is comic and deliberately off. Cashill's use is angry and demeaning.
Are progressives really like "a great white"?
I don't see them this way. If anything, they are like lemmings. Angry talkative lemmings, at times, wandering in the wilderness, much as the Jews were during the attempt to escape from Egypt. If Obama is their Moses, it's not as if they want to keep moving. They want instead to found the New Jerusalem. Conservatives on the other hand do not believe we will ever have an earthly kingdom that is like Eden. We are fallen. We will do as well as we can to follow God's word, but the New Jerusalem is something that only God will provide. We cannot build it ourselves. We are locked out and must do our best to understand and follow His word, having broken the Covenant in the Garden.
Liberals and progressives can be deluded. The Nobel Peace Prize was given not only to Obama, but to Rigoberta Menchu, a woman who lied about her entire background when she wrote her book about being an Indian Woman in Guatemala, in which she makes up most of her facts and situations to create sympathy for her cause.
When Cashill is reviewing the evidence against the progressives he is quite thorough (he spends three pages on Menchu in order to undermine Obama's garnering of the Nobel). He claims they are both literary frauds. His evidence for the similarity between Ayers and Obama's writing is extensive and is the heart of the book. It's about 150 pages in length. It's not bad, and in the course of this he talks a lot about quantitative modes of analysis.
But he confuses quantity with quality.
Obama's quality is far superior to Ayers'. Obama's writing, if it is indeed his, has always a warmth and love in it for the world. He's somewhat careful, and cautious, it's true, but there's a love in his writing, whereas in Ayers' writing there is a rancid hatred that I find appalling and one-sided. Plus there is the problem of the Obama poem "Pop," which we reviewed on the blog several years ago. While not a masterpiece, the poem could stand as one of Bukowski's poems, and as a Beat poem. It's good. The other poem about the water grotto is terrible, but everyone writes bad poems. I write a hundred bad poems for every good one.
The last fifty pages of the book focus on Obama's confusing heritage, and evaluate evidence that Jimi Hendrix is his dad, or an "unknown black male," or possibly Frank Marshall Davis, the poet. The poem "Pop" is probably about Davis. I will buy this. But Cashill claims that Davis used Obama's mother as a nude model, and impregnated her, and then had sex with her (his own?) underaged son, and that this is what the poem represents!
He claims that Davis was gay or bisexual, and especially liked underaged boys, but wasn't particular about what he did. Davis wrote a book called Sex Rebel, about his affairs with men boys and women.
"There is enough talk in Sex Rebel about the taste and texture of semen to merit the suspicion that the 'breath' and 'amber stain' references in 'Pop' refer to the exchange of something other than whiskey. There may have been a whole lot of 'shinking' going on chez Davis after all" (284).
Is semen amber when it stains? I think this designation is wrong, on a forensic basis, and presents an absolutely monstrous scenario that would be worthy of a Nero, but Obama is no Nero.
On p. 282, Cashill says that "to shink" may not be a typo but may refer to slapping someone in the face with a penis (he cites evidence for this as a slang term in the gay community). However, it has other slang usages, too. It's an obscure aspect of the poem, but Cashill imports the worst possible meaning, and then builds a bizarre scenario around it that no jury would buy.
To top it off, Cashill claims that Obama never wrote the poem at all, and that it was a gift from Davis, "As compensation for exploiting the young Obama, Davis may have slipped this 'green young man' a poem for publication... Trained to believe that nothing adds up and the deck is stacked against him, Obama has seemed from the beginning entirely comfortable with a counterfeit literary career" (285).
So, Cashill writes off Dreams as belonging to Ayers, and then writes off Audacity as the work of a speechwriter named Favreau, and then writes off the early poem "Pop," as the work of Frank Marshall Davis.
For me this was too much. I've now read four books on Obama: Kloppenberg's, D'Souza's, Obama's Audacity, and this one. I felt sympathy for Obama by the end of this book. I felt disgusted by Cashill's sliming of Obama.
Obama's early poem "Pop," is a very fine poem, especially for a nineteen-year old writer. If that is actually Obama's work, then he'd have been capable of writing everything else he's written. My problem with Obama is not so much the writing and its quality, but the viewpoint. He's too much in love with the world, and doesn't understand the dangers and the terrors that America faces, and he has too many Marxists in his background. I think Obama himself tries to be reasonable, and is trying to understand the limitations of his background. Cashill brings up the Muslim issue again, on stretched terms. To his credit, Obama did get OBL. He went outside the lines when he did it, but the Pakistanis at some level must have allowed it. Generally speaking, Obama has worked inside of legal lines. He and his wife do not appear to be thugs. I think the right goes too far when they won't allow the presidential couple brains or talent or general decency. They have cute kids, and although they may have made mistakes in getting close with Ayers and Wright, I don't think they are evil opportunists. They may have been given some opportunities on the basis of their race, but they did the best they could with those opportunities. America should be proud of them.
They are good people. Perhaps too good. I think some distrust of the Chinese, and of terrorists like Ayers, and more thorough background checks into the people they employ (Van Jones, and the couple who snuck into the White House) would help them out. Obama knew the communist Frank Marshall Davis as a boy, and can't help his mother's poor choices. Davis played the role of Falstaff to a young Henry Vth, but I really doubt if they had oral sex. More likely Davis introduced Obama to the world of poetry and politics, but I doubt if he exploited the boy.
I came away from the book believing that Obama is a patriot and not a pinhead, and that Jack Cashill is one-sided to the point of zealotry. In his attempt to tarnish the Obamas, he loses perspective. Everyone loses perspective when there is so much at stake, but this book needed better vetting.
It may be that Obama had help with the two books. Most writers have some help. For my three volumes of literary criticism I had help from several anonymous readers, from professors I had worked with, and my wife. Almost no one writes well by themselves. For my novel I also had some help from the editor and my wife, too.
Obama's spirit is present in the books and the poems assigned to him. He's a good man. You can see on his face that he's a good man.
I hope he isn't reelected, but if he is, and there's a good chance of it (if the economy turns around) we could do far worse. I think he was probably just a tad superior to John McCain in talent but I preferred McCain. I would like someone with humor and a sense of the bottom line to run for the Republicans: either Giuliani or Huckabee.
Meanwhile, I have other things to do: I have to get the beach sand out of the car, my shoes, and water the cucumbers.
35 comments:
um kirby kirby kirby kirby kirby could you elucidate your literary conspiracy theory with a little more substance i mean give us some dates and dalliances when were they together that sort of thing i mean i think we really need that to piece the picture together into a great big coherent broadway musical about race sex and intrigue the lobbyests lob the lobber a lob to be lobbed at gotta lot a lob
no i mean really kirby i think we need to know a little more about this cashill guy i think i may have gone to third grade with him and i beat him up on the play ground yeah i think that's the guy but you know we need some more information because without it we have this merely vague idea of what you're getting at and i greatly suspect based upon what you've devolved and reduced to insubstantial mishmash here (although you've managed to write about absolutely nothing with a certain what should we say -- aplomb -- yeah that's it)
but no really if you could just explain the intricacies of this theory of ghost writing and marxist dramas in the infected esophagOus of america then we could perhaps get on with the more important issues like why the commas don't match up and why the word choices really matter and why intrepid cowards cavort with handsome well meaning men
no really could you explain for all of us here for i am sure everyone here is as interested as i am in all this i mean the subtle devious internal machinations of power that get woven in woof and warp through time and space and how this all works out into best sellers that never get read except by suspicious looking fathers hanging around the waste baskets on the beach reading political theory which maybe just maybe should have been tossed in the beach trash cans of which i am sure there are many and they are ridden with multitudinous flies
what about the wives ayers wife and michelle i mean maybe there was something going on there has anyone written about that i mean do they have similar tastes in fashion if so your theory and cashills ' theory might be blown to smithereens
no but seriously kirby if you could just define the issues a little more clearly by uncovering for us the real motivations behind all the deceptions that go on in washington in the name of a just society then i think perhaps i at least coud be satisfied that you're on the right track here
do you have any idea what ayers eats and what obama eats i mean maybe if they both have a penchant for collard greens and hamhocks then a tighter thesis could be duly webbed i say could be not necessarily should be but could be
no but really if you could just say one or two more things about why......
jh
Cashill is a populist writer of some sort for the conservatives. He says he started out in life as a leftist but then someone made fun of the police and he went to the right because he had some relatives who were police officers.
He seems touchy.
I didn't really get his motivation for doing all this work.
He's against the left because they made fun of the police. It doesn't take much in some cases. He said that if he could link Ayers to Obama he could wreck Obama's candidacy. He tried to do this before 2008 but couldn't pull it together in time. This book is a serious mess with probably some really good strokes in it.
After all, the Obamas really probably do have a lot of Marxism in their collective jeans. After all, they went to Ivy League colleges.
Why Rhode Island?
Rhode Island is the most Democratic state in the whole nation. They elected Obama with a 29% majority. They have all kinds of taxes that the rest of the country hasn't got. And they have kinds of food we haven't got like coffee milk, or milk coffee, and some kind of teensy hot dog, and they have Family Guy.
So it seemed like an appropriate place to read Cashill.
Kind of like reading Hume in Konigsberg.
Basically, Cashill is trying to Swiftboat Obama.
Honestly, I wish he'd done it, but I don't think he did. It is a horrific windup and a punch that lasts three hundred pages.
Had he stopped at Dreams, and left Audacity and Pop on the table as Obama's, that would be one thing, but he tries in his book (published by Simon & Schuster, 2011), to say that Obama never wrote anything except a few crummy policy statements, and some political drivel, and he was abused as a kid, and he's a Muslim, and maybe he's gay, and he's a total opportunist, and a creep, and so on.
He's also a listener to the most extreme theories of right wing radio which is probably fine, but the burdens of proof aren't too high in some of those venues.
At any rate, I had hoped to wind up Stu with this book but basically have to admit that this is a swing and a miss and even temporarily put me back in sympathy with the president and his wife. We have serious problems in the White house, but plagiarism is not the greatest problem.
It's the deficit.
Herman Cain says all we need to do is totally cut foreign aid for a year. He wants to do it.
I have no objections, but I don't know exactly what the upshot would be.
Does Cain?
Would it kill all the Ables of the world?
I mean, are countries able to survive without our AID?
I don't know what our foreign aid situation looks like monetarily.
It sounds like with us going down the tubes we should cut off all outflow.
It'd be fun to have Cain go toe to toe with Obama. My main problem with Obama is he has no fiscal background and we're in huge trouble as a result. He just wants all this stuff but hasn't thought if we can pay for it. It seems like an afterthought.
Cain at least ran a big business: KFC. I can't stand the stuff.
It's so greasy and icky.
I haven't been in one since I was about 17.
Would just as soon eat boogers.
Still, maybe he can save the country. We need someone with some financial background, and business background.
Perhaps hiring a Beat poet with Marxist alliances was fun for hope and change, but now that we're totally broke and no sign of getting better, let's go back to sound fiscal remedies and forget who wrote what when.
Kirby,
Nice post. I mean it.
I don't have a problem with honest disagreement. We can argue about the advisability of this social policy or that in a reasonable way.
But I've found it difficult to argue with what I've seen as extreme mischaracterization of Obama by the right, often parroted by you. I suppose that the way you felt reading Cashill is similar to the way I've often felt reading you, at least when the topic is Obama.
But this post came from someplace else. You can see things in the man that you find admirable, you're willing to name them with specificity, and that's a good thing. Just as I can found admirable things in McCain. GWB's harder, but that's because not only do I have a hard time with his politics, but I have a hard time with frat-boy persona, establishment-entitlement persona, and the Texas shit-kicker persona, and W was all of these. We all have our clubs, some explicit, some implicit, but I don't see a club that both W and I belong to. E.g., I try to respect my enemies, whereas W seems to take a perverse delight in disrespecting his friends. Sure, "turd-blossom," his nickname for Rove, was a gift that kept giving to the left, but would you really want a friend to call you that?! At least you and Barack have writing and poetry in common, and you could probably make a connection based on just that. Oh, and basketball. Don't sell yourself short in that regard. If you've got game, you can get facetime. Just remember that he's a jump-shooter with better than average range (remember, "Barry the Bomber," and that 3 pointer at the Army base in Kuwait), not a slasher or a post-up guy.
Stu, I'm done as a basketball player I think. My ankles hurt all the time from the sprain and can't feel it ever getting any better. Got an X-ray last week.
I don't like vicious joking, but do like joking.
Some people love the left and its ideologies too much and it sets me off. It's partially my field.
But Cashill set me off in the other direction. I'm a centrist, and I don't like fringe types.
Rob Lowe was on O'Reilly last night and he said he was a centrist, too, after decades of drink. He said the left is very empathetic, but hasn't got enough logic. The right is very logical, but hans't got enough empathy.
I'd really rather that the government was logical.
I could mostly follow Bush's logic. I can't follow Obama's.
I think he writes very very well. He's probably a genius in this regard. I admire it.
I just wish his logic was a little more easy for me to follow, and I wis he'd never play to his left. He's basically a good man. I see good in W., too.
My kindergartner said to me yesterday, Dad, Hulk Hogan said that he's a true American, and he loves all Americans.
I'm with Hulk.
I don't think we shoiuld hate each other.
PS I'm glad you liked the post!
W. is difficult to understand because he's a visionary. His vision was to change the entire Islamic world into a string of democracies. The means was to use Afghanistan and Iraq as showplaces for the rest of the Islamic world. It kind of worked.
Now the entire Islamic world is in an uproar as their citizens demand democracy. Egypt flipped, Tunisia flipped, Syria and Libya have partially flipped.
Iran is holding tight but is no longer legitimate even (I think) in its own eyes.
This is a profound change in the world but of course it was costly not only in dollars but in American lives (Gettysburg cost 30,000 lives in a weekend, but we aren't used to casaulties like those any longer).
The whole ten years or so has cost less than ten thousand American lives. You can't put a price on a life, of course, and in the eyes of parents, each child is absolutely priceless.
But strategically W. blew the lid off the entire Islamic world. It was an amazing feat of intellectual strength to see that it could be done, and to do it so casually.
Can we afford to have dictators hanging around?
9/11 said not.
As for Cashill, JH might like to read up on him at wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Cashill
His charge that Dreams was at least coordinated by Ayers may be true, and has been taken to be more or less true.
His wilder accusations in Deconstructing Obama (that he never wrote ANYTHING) seem false to me (especially that Frank Marshall Davis molested him, and then gave him the poem 'Pop' as thanks for the memories).
He's a bit like Glenn Beck. He has wild hunches and some of them turn out to be true, and a lot of it isn't anywhere near the truth.
Cashill makes the case that Obama was too busy all the time to sit down and write. It takes an enormous amount of solitary time to put a real book together.
A year of ten-hour days is about the minimum. That's just to get a basic book.
Probably no politician has that kind of time, so it's likely that someone helped Obama put his book together, but I think his own spirit is still there in the book. A ghost writer has to try to capture and mimic the feeling of the original.
Kirby, thanks again for your comments on the Cashill book. As I said, I was sceptical about the ghost-writing charge, though that Obama may have had some sort of help from Ayers on the "Dreams" book remains open. And that is no necessarily adverse charge, for many authors receive advice and substantive help in putting together a complete book.
stu's backhanded praise (that you often "parrot" ["parrot!" cries Bertie] conspiracy theorists like Cashill, but don't in this case) for your remarks notwithstanding, I think perhaps there's some reason for your suggestion that Bush policies may have encouraged democratic movements in the Middle East. What form these may take in relation to the US, however, is much in doubt.
I understand former Pres Bush's persona was and is alien to stu's (as it is to me for the most part), but I agreed with some of his policies and didn't let his personality affect my judgement on them. And I think calls for the arrest and prosecution of former VP Cheney, Professor Yoo, and a host of others (perhaps even Bush himself) are representative of a pretty fringy view.
The two Obama poems can be seen here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/us/politics/18poems.html
If anyone wishes to refresh their memory.
The first one called "Pop" has a typo in it six lines up -- or at least the word "shink" has been changed to "shrink" in the NYT version.
The second poem is less good, probably because it is more of a symbolist attempt, and it's not at all clear what Obama is aiming at through the symbolism (Cashill is willing to grant the lousy poem to Obama, but not the better one).
There are two broad styles in poetry extending from the metaphorical of Wallace Stevens (everything means something else, or in T.S. Eliot, almost everything has an echo beyond its thingness), whereas in WCW we tend to describe things as things, or as WCW put it, "No ideas but in things."
The Obama's attempt at a symbolic poem quite simply fails because it's not clear what the apes are doing underwater, or how they got fangs. It's not well thought through.
The other poem, based as it was on a quick realistic jazzy description of an interaction with the poet Frank Marshall Davis, succeeds better partially because it is not as ambitious to attempt to make a larger statement.
At any rate, that's my take.
As for Curtis -- he has on several occasions insisted that I myself be banned. He suggested this at Ron silliman's blog about five years ago.
He has sometimes not put my comments through at his blog.
But he usually recovers.
Back to the poems in question of Obama's: Cashill argues that the first poem is actually about a homosexual tryst between Obama and his purportedly "real" dad, Frank Marshall Davis, and that "shrink" in the poem is actually "shink" which means (apparently) to shake your penis against another man's face.
I've never heard of this, and can't understand why there's even a word for such an unmentionably bizarre practice. Who would use such a term?
Would 19-year-old Obama have access to such language?
Back in the day the typesetters made typos all the time in typing up poems. Probably at the Occidental magazine some undergraduate made this typo, and it's gone on to become a strange new reading of the poem by Cashill.
Maybe whoever set the poem remembers if it was a typo and will some day speak up about it.
"Shrink" makes more sense. Obama or the speaker is somewhat ashamed of the puniness of their frame against this giant's.
FMD is a good poet but not in the same vein as Obama's more jazzy verse. FMD liked jazz, but he worked in more strictly controlled verses where the line-lengths are almost all the same and there is some more rhyme.
Obama (who I assume to be the actual poet of Pop) stretches his leathery wings here and flies pteradactyl-like over the scene, improvising.
the only crime if there is one here is that the older man is sharing whiskey with a minor, which might be considered contributing to the delinquency of a minor (Obama is estimated to be about fourteeen in the poem at least by Cashill -- but he may well have been eighteen --).
Not sure what the legal drinking age was in Hawaii at the time of this incident.
I wouldn't share whiskey with a minor, but then I don't drink whiskey or even beer. If Obama were going away during this scene, it might be considered a final toast, and thus be a legitimate thing to do with a young man that you consider to be important in your life who's now going away.
At most, I see FMD as a kind of Falstaff figure in the life of a young Henry Vth.
And perhaps Obama now sees FMD in that light.
Henry Vth got over Falstaff. He banishes him when he grows up, when he realizes that he is no substitute for his own real father.
Obama growing up without a dad probably needed father figures.
But I think teens also seek out Goofy Gus types to help them spread their leathery wings for the nonce. Such were the Beats, for me.
Kirby, the "shink" (I hadn't heard of such before)/"shrink" question reminds me of the well-known Melville poem's "soiled fish of the sea"/"coiled fish" question, over which the former version turned out to be a misprint, but not before it served as spurious evidence for a misguided Freudian interpretation or two.
I'm almost always intrigued by jh's posts, though I rarely comment upon them, for there's so much free association and jeux-d'esprit that I'd have to call his style and content a kind of "Catholic Surrealism."
So many points of light in JH's posts, I agree. Where do you start? And plus more than half is for fun.
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by Tylersv Oct 31, 2006 share this
3. Shink 14 thumbs up
To take a shit in someone's sink and leave it.
The party sucked so I left a shink to let them know.
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sink shit dump jackass gross
by MeLaramie Mar 8, 2011 share this
Kirby,
SHINK, from Urban Dictionary
(This gives you an idea of how our culture is falling apart in the urban areas.)
I think this is an unduly pessimistic assessment. Slang is one of the growing edges of language, and while I generally agree that we ought to use words with care, the need for communities to create their own languages, both for the purpose of group identification and to prevent non-group members from understanding, seems as old as speech itself.
Moreover, I see some sophistication in word construction. (1) is a clear case of onomonopia, and (3) is a portmanteaux. I don't see these as specifically urban constructions, the name of the dictionary notwithstanding. After all, rebels carry frog-stickers, and leaving a dump as a sign of disrespect is pretty common behavior among higher primates, so not only isn't this usage not urban specific, it's not even human specific, although sinks are.
As for (2), it's very hard for me to see this used outside of a prison, which makes Cashill's interpretation seem all the more tenuous.
Kirby,
You mention the word "boundless" in a positive way. Reminds me of Canadian singer-songwriter Bruce Cockburn's song called "Boundless," on his latest CD, which he co-wrote with Annabelle Chvostek. [ To put a plug in for Bruce, you can check out his website Here ]
You mention that there is speculation about Jimi Hendrix being Obama's father, what is the reasoning behind the speculation? Hendrix was definitely, IMHO, a guitar-playing genius! Too bad he self-destructed on drugs.
Hi Dim Lamp!
I think the rationale behind the Jimi Hendrix deal for BO's dad is that BO's mom hung out in the boho scenes in Seattle and liked black and foreign men. Did Hendrix go through lots of women?
I guess whoever came up with this one saw a resemblance between Obama and Hendrix (both black) and went along on that basis. There was no evidence presented for Hendrix being the top contender. A DNA test could probably determine whose DNA is most likely to match that of the prez.
There was even some speculation that Obama's white grandfather had a black girlfriend, and that the whole thing was a cover up from the beginning.
Honestly, I found all this speculation appalling. I am not an Obama fan at ALL (anything that smacks even slightly of communist thought or redistribution or race and gender politics reminds me instantly of the Khmer Rouge -- even Voldemort in the Harry Potter series reminds me of Stalin -- it's just how I file things) but I don't see why there's a need to besmirch the president's beginnings.
It's more the ideas he cottoned to, and which I wish he would drop, rather than some revolting scenario with men going after his mother in an evil way and then molesting the boy. I couldn't believe the last fifty pages of the Cashill book. He links to speculation on right-wing radio, and other programs and blogs that links BO to Hendrix, but I already feel that I went way out into UFO land to read as much as I already have, and I'm kind of done.
As for the term "shink," I doubt if I will ever have a need to use the word in any of its guises. Goodness gracious.
People should not be doing any of the three things that the word is mentioned as describing. I don't think such ideas have ever crossed through Barack Obama's mind, either.
He must have meant, "shrink."
I do agree that Hendrix is an absolute guitar hero. I heard some bit of his on the radio on the way to Rhode Island (Foxy Lady, I think) and just reveled in it. The kids found it embarrassing. They didn't think it was good at all. They aren't used to acid rock and its blues base. They prefer a band called Big Time Rush.
"urban dictionary" refers to the phrase "urban myth" more than "urban environment..." Anyway...
There is a trend among youngish folks that has been going on for a long time - to come up with 'slang' phrases describing disgusting sexual acts that noone ever actual engages in.
'Shink' may just be another one of these...
I don't think you want me to describe to you what I heard in middle/elementary school in very suburban, rich-white-flight-neighborhood Westlake.
Things much more disgusting than 'shink.'
I'm sure you've heard of a 'dirty sanchez?' The 'donkey punch' was probably our most common turn of phrase, though the 'rainbow kiss' was probably the most revolting.
It's also a fun language game to come up with your own. The 'sloppy biffle' was an especially inspired phrase that a buddy of mine invented.
You can urban-dictionary any of those phrases, if you want (and oh so many more!) I guess you've read Burroughs, so you can probably take the grossness... But trust me, they're coming from school kids and college kids and 20 and 30-somethings in the rich suburbs of Kansas and Texas just as much as they're coming from any 'urban' environment. (and you have to admit some creativity in some of them)
Quite funny. Perhaps the behaviors are not rampant, then.
Obama's Achilles' heel is not his writing, I suspect, so much as his business sense. He has no experience in that domain, and no natural gift for entrepreneurial productivity. I suspect that this is where he's vulnerable.
The deal will be to promote a solid businessman. We don't necessarily need a wild-eyed Christian with all kinds of prudish censorship going on. What we probably need is just a businessman.
Romney and Cain seem best in this regard.
It has to be someone with their feet on the ground. Obama's feet have tiny wings attached and he floats lyrically over America.
We need someone who will fix the budget and help to plan a solid tax grid and healthcare grid on which employers can plan their strategies and count on gainful profit that isn't immediately redistributed by some Cyclops or another.
More painful will be to trim down spending. We don't want someone who will cut essential services.
Dim Lamp asked about the Obama Hendrix connection, and I looked in the appendix of notes to Cashill's book today. He lists a few fringe sites that talk about this kind of thing, and apparent nude photos of his mother, and her possible affair with Frank Marshall Davis, for whom she might have worked, and other stuff.
None of this stuff looks at all reliable, or like it has any concern for the truth. One of the problems of rhetoric and sophism is that the people in many of these venues would rather pawn off some sinister link and have it morph into a game-changing meme, rather than establish the truth. Look through this stuff, for instance. It's unsigned, and highly speculative, and seemingly unconcerned about objectivity:
http://www.halfsigma.com/2011/04/frank-marshall-davis-real-father-of-barrack-obama.html
well now that brett has established that weird kinky gross horrendous vomitous sleazy degrading disgusting to say the least kinds of rhetorical creativity amongst a younger generation sort of brings us up to date on where the mind is at
i can't believe this stuff gets on here but i guess it has a precendent in kirbueez unrelenting time after time quoting of alan ginsburg moment of male shit bliss
fudge packin rodeo ridin humperoo
i can't believe i just wrote that
anyway
to suggest obama is a vicitim of sex abuse or the love child of kimi hendrix is as preposterous as it is intriguing and i think we shoudl all follow this up
what if the president was caught wearing woment's lingerie
would'nd that be sexy
wooden that be seckzee
gosh
i'm out of my league here
i'm starting to fade like
marianne moore's expression
when the world gets to be too much
kirby i think you should apologize a little here for dragging us into such hyperspeculative dark places
if this goes on much longer
i think i may PyUUUUUUUUQUE
do you really think cashill may have found teh pearl of great price or is he just
lookin for a needle in a hay stack on a sweaty summer afternoon with sex apparant anywhere everywhere whatever
can't we speak of more holy matters
like
saint theresa's extacy ecstasis
or st sebastian with arrows
or mother theresa cleaning wounds in calcutta
or something
other than
pornorhetoriccyberfilth
amen
jh
Kirby, I think the UW English faculty was pretty well representative of other research universities politically--sort of OK, bad, and dog-butt ugly.
I found several politically liberal profs who nevertheless became friends and who were quite amenable to rational discussions on politics, though in the English Department I remember only two self-identified Republicans in a department of 75 or so. Nevertheless again, on my doctoral board only my advisor came from the English Department; the other three were from Classics, Germanics, and Comp Lit. On my orals and dissertation defence committees combined, eight of ten were European-born.
One of the ugly English faculty members was a frenetic and radioactive feminist who later became one of the infamous Duke
88. Another female faculty member (who became a friend of mine), from Romania and whose Jewish family had been oppressed and actually decimated during the Ceausescu horror, told me the frenetic feminist once told her that she'd no idea of the tough life a middle-class Jew like herself growing up in Brooklyn had had. Yeah, narcissism added to stupidity can be pretty ugly. . . .
JADL, you must mean Raimonda Modiano as the Jewish Romanian. I loved her, and everything she taught. I took two of her courses: one on the Sublime, and one on Romanticism and was later her TA on a Romanticism course that had an unbelievable number of students -- maybe 300? It filled a giant room, and I taught two sections as a TA.
I often wonder about Peter Viereck's notion that German Romanticism led to Hitler.
I find lots of German Romanticism to be quite hilarious. Nietzsche for instance can be hilarious even with his ubermensch scenario. But ultimately, I'm against Nietzsche as I'm against Marx, for more or less the same reasons. German Romanticism with its exalted ideas of what people were capable of, just sort of sucked.
I'd also toss Freud and Jung for much the same reasons.
I prefer the toned down sensibility of Locke and Berkeley (Berkeley cracks me up, too).
I don't know quite what happened in Romania. In my Codrescu book I tried to trace the revolution against Ceausescu from the viewpoint of the Lutheran Bishop Tokes, and the downfall spreading outward from Timisoara. But having never been to Romania I don't know the turf well except through reading.
Mona said that as a Jew she was permitted to attend classes but was not permitted to excel. She came in first in some kind of national examination, but she wasn't allowed to win.
She was a Jew.
She said they were very polite about it.
She always admired the freedom of the west and came at the first opportunity she could find.
I thought she was the most sensible person on the English faculty though I liked a lot of others. Mona was about fifty times smarter than me so I had to put on my thinking cap very tight around her. I also studied with various people in French.
It was a good time, but around us was a huge assassination bureau, or so it seemed. People whose entire careers were staked on identity politics, and on creating in groups and out groups and it felt like the formulation of a holocaust when I heard them speak.
I don't know if there are still people actively formulating that or if the attempted lynching at Duke slowed it all down.
This was the bad side of 68 coming to perhaps its high water mark in the early 90s.
I think it's still in operation with Obama, but even Obama can't quite speak in its name. He has to present himself as a moderate so that he can fool most of the people most of the time.
It's pretty easy to do, apparently.
Literature departments were getting set up in the eras of nationalism and still suffer from the kind of boundaries that were then being formed. I'm not sure how to reformulate them to get around this problem since language and nationalism at the time were so closely identified.
It seems a limitation of the whole system.
But I don't have a better alternative to offer.
Boring literature would be a fun department. Come and study boring literature! and then turn around and teach it!
That's all I've got to offer at this point.
Oh, wait. I have an idea. What if we divided all literature by race, gender, and class?
Would that work?
Yes, Kirby, I referred to Mona; though my programme didn't include her seminars, she graciously took an interest in my work, and (unsolicited) volunteered to read and comment upon the long intoductory chapter to my diss.
Another time, we had a long talk returning on a flight from Toronto when she described how her brother (a budding tennis star) had been forbidden to compete in his sport, but far worse it was that her father had literally been hounded to death by the Ceausescu's police. Some details of how she defected from Romania I think I'd better keep back. I admired her intelligence, coolness, good sense, and Eastern European wit.
I remember the departmental politics as getting pretty passive-aggressively vicious at times. And the Edward Said partisans' cuts at the tenured full prof (another friend and fellow NAS member Eddie Alexander) that he took his marching orders from Tel-Aviv (though he certainly gave back as good as he got). Or the female English prof who accused the wimpy then-chairman of spending too much time "kissing feminist fannies." Or the Marxist grad studies chair whom I embarrassed publicly by pointing out departmental deficiencies in sound and scholarly seminar offerings in contrast to the copious RCG stuff. Or the Dean whom I exposed for giving all grad assistants "of color" a term off teaching to teach the teaching white ones their proper place. Or another departmental chair (sans doctorate), supposedly a humourist, who wasn't funny (perhaps the greatest fault for LS denizens). Or again the Marxist grad studies director who taunted me about being up for a Killam fellowship at Dalhousie U that there was nothing in Halifax to do but smell fish and drink whiskey anyway (not-true--I love Halifax) and me retorting to him that the best part of it was that it was 4000 miles and four time zones from his English Department.
Yup, those were the days, Kirby. . . .
Mona was stellar. I've never told her, but all my literary crticism has to pass through what I imagine to be her mind before I allow it go out for publication.
I'm not sure why: she is just the perfect prof.
I feel sorry for her that she was stuck for so long in such a crazy department. I don't think they ever went after her. Probably after Romania the case in Seattle seemed laughable to her.
They wouldn't know how to run a pogrom if they were paid to do so.
At any rate, you could slip through the department without dealing with any of the identity politics people. I did.
They were all around, but in a dept. of 85 profs, and if you only needed to deal with four or five of same, it was quite possible if you knew what you were doing to entirely avoid the disaster.
I never went directly against them as you did. I very much dislike actual fighting in person. It's toxic to me, and would kill me if I were exposed to it for too long.
I did of course have to deal with idiotic PC students who were in the seminars I studied in. I remember one prof's comment of exasperation: "Another white belt feminist comment!" I thought this was hilarious, but the student didn't, and fumed about it for years.
You have to feel even sorrier for the women students. They were forced to join the claque or be necklaced.
As white guys, we were expected to think for ourselves, and I guess we did.
The left is always hardest on its own. You just can't get anywhere near that mob, and you're fine.
I think because you wrote from within you own writing, editing, rewriting experience, you were able to cut through the hash that Cashill slings. I am amazed that you read beyond his first faulty comparison of prose.
Well, I confess that I really wanted to believe his ideas. Sometimes in a boxing match I've seen a losing fighter take out a better fighter in the 15th round with one big punch. Mike Weaver vs. John Tate, for instance, was such a fight. Tate went toe to toe with Weaver in the 15th after bouncing and dodging for 14.9 rounds. It just took one punch.
I kept hoping Cashill would land such a thing and convince me.
He didn't.
The longer he went the more fraudulent his thinking became until at the end I just felt that there was a right that was just as crazy as the left. I don't often feel like that. Cashill had the strange effect of making me like Obama and his wife, and wanting to support them.
It was a feeling that didn't last, but it was a peculiar sensation, and one that I can't say I enjoyed.
The truth matters, and people have to stick with it, even when it makes us look wrong, I think.
Obama almost certainly wrote the poem "Pop." If he wrote that, he could write just about anything.
Writing is not his problem.
What I think might resonate within Cashill's book is that BO may have had a lot of help with his books since he was so busy. He runs around proclaiming loudly that he wrote them, but it may be quite true that he allowed others -- including possibly Ayers -- to ghost them, and then just took credit for them. It's hard to know.
New allegations are popping up from a NY Times writer that allege that Obama's story about his mother dying without health coverage is totally untrue. She was covered. Her out of pocket expenses were in the hundreds of dollars, and Obama was already wealthy enough to help.
He decided to run for Senate in Chicago instead of going to see his mother, and basically threw her under the bus because he needed the time to pal around with other pols.
Kathleen Parker's column today wrote about the new book by Janny Scott, entitled, "A Singular Woman: The Untold Stofy of Barack Obama's Mother." "Dunham's cancer treatments were covered by her employer's insurance policy."
The White House is arguing that Obama just didn't know the details and forget about most of it, because he has a lot on his mind. But when he made these allegations he could have done a little research or had Ayers do some research for him.
Parker writes, "Not only did he represent his mother's interests at the time and, presumably, have legal notes and correspondence in his own files, but he knew he would use the anecdote to makehis argument for healthcare reform. Surely he might have expected that someone eventually would fact-check his account."
It takes a very long time for truth to catch up, but truth is catching up. Even in terms of the economy, the truth of communism is that it doesn't work, and the economy slowly goes to pieces when communists are in the White House.
Stephen, could you give us a citation on this? There must have been a specific statement, and a specific law, and there must have been an opposition.
Just curious.
"Talmudic," is a fairly broad adjective. Could you give us a more precise geographic, historic, document that we could all read for ourselves?
I think the Islamic imams are finding out how much discord is created by actually stoning people caught in adultery. But they are still carrying through with it, especially in Iran. Most of us in the west now accept adultery as a fallen but somewhat forgiveable behavior. In a small town near here there's been an outbreak of adultery, and it's divided the town. Some will not speak with the adulterers. Others will, but have private qualms. Still others just plain don't care. all of the people involved are out and out secularists, so I think they can do whatever they want. They can even fornicate with animals for all I care. They have no covenant with anyone beyond themselves. It's their business.
Many people have decided that the only law that applies to them is the law of desire. I felt like it, is their answer. If the thing they felt like doing is not specifically countermanded by law (there are now no laws about adultery), it's their business. This will become more and more the norm. "I felt like it," will be the answer to "Why on earth did you do that?"
It's just the way of the world.
Kirby - I feel like you're referring to a comment Stephen made that you didn't actually put through?
Cause I am confused.
heiddeggerrrr spoke thusssslly he states that dasein is thrown tossed as it were aware of being swept as if thrown into the maelstrom of twitching human desire of groaning yearning desire we are thrown into our intellectual pursuits thrown into play thrown into being in places that seem like disney land every day and then there is the mass drugging of the populace and hollywood and after awhile it all seems like halucination
at least i think that's what martin said the experience of being thrown in the midst of like roller derby on a bad food day
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isnt there a chicken called the road island cashill
jh
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