Sunday, September 25, 2011

Colbert - Stewart - Brett




Brett said that I should listen to Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert. I did. I like Stewart's long pauses. He makes fun of Obama pretty well, before he turns the tables, and makes fun of the people who make fun of Obama. I think he's ok.

Then I listened to Colbert and thought he was a dummy. He says if we were really Christian we would help the poor in America, or something:

"If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it.”

But we do help the poor. Hasn't he heard of food stamps? Or HEAP? Or food stamps? Or welfare? Or HEAP? Or WIC? Or food stamps? WIC is available even to the families of college professors like myself. For years I availed myself of it, and it helped the chicken nuggets fly down the hatches of the hummingbirds who live in this tin shack with the Cadillac out front. I gobbled down tons of peanut butter and drank fruit juice like I was living in Oceania.

Colbert thinks there are poor people in America.

I think of a poor person as one who is starving. In the Bible the Jews have to live off manna which was some kind of bugsnot that grew on stuff in the desert. The Jews didn't like it so they asked for quail. God sent quail. Everyone who ate it died, so they went back to bugsnot, or whatever it was (one theory offers psychadelic mushrooms).

Eating food is hardly our problem in America. Look around. Everyone is too big. It takes all one's willpower and ingenuity in America not to overeat. The average poor child opens the fridge and a cornucopia of delicious goods leap into his throat, threatening to choke him with calories.

It's true that there are some people who starve to death in America. The Karen Carpenter types. What can I say that hasn't been said. Get help if you find that you are a prisoner in an Auschwitz of your own making.

Around the world there are unAmerican countries where people can't get enough to eat, or drink.

Arid areas are the hardest to reach because of Marxist regimes. It's especially difficult to get water into arid areas because of the cost of shipping and because of the ruthless blockades of the Marxist pirates of Myanmar and Zimbabwe. Some people insist on living in deserts. Sometimes it's hard to find those people, as the maps are scarce, and it's hard to find nomads in huge deserts in order to give them our beautiful desserts. I imagine sometimes that they get thirsty for lemonade. It would work better if we could ship dry water and powdered lemon with them on the camels since it wouldn't be so heavy. With dry water, like dried food, all you'd have to do is add water.

Every American has access to water. Not so in India where it's one in five. 600 million people in India have never sat on a toilet. Around here that's all some people do. Try to get into a toilet in a mall. Some stinker will sit in there all day eating Raisinettes and reading the funnies between picking their nose and farting gasses so putrid you'd think it was World War I.

The main problem in America is that there's too much food being eaten. We have an obesity epidemic. So it's not about getting food distribution going. Go into any supermarket and you can eat all day and night for peanuts. Colbert is wrong, which means he isn't that funny. He would have been right if he was working in about the year 1100 or during the Irish potato famine. He apparently hasn't heard of food stamps, welfare programs, and other giveaways that have made almost everyone obscenely fat. We're rich at least in terms of our rich food. I do think there are too many stupid people (Colbert is one of them) but it's very hard to educate people like Colbert because they already think they know everything.

Maybe I'm too hard on Colbert in this report. But, I did like Stewart.

18 comments:

Brett said...

I'd give Colbert another shot if I were you - not sure which episode you watched, but he's full of pun-ness, and at times lowers the veil to show that he does have a very pro-America, pro-soldier point of view.

He's also character/ charicature, wheres Stewart isn't generally playing a role in that way.

But I'm glad you watched 'em! (took you long enough:-) )

Kirby Olson said...

I'll take another look. Thanks a lot for the suggestion. I did enjoy Stewart. I think this came out of our discussion about whether the left still had a sense of humor.

I often don't see this in the left.

Kirby Olson said...

Or rather, I don't often see this in the left.

Limbaugh on the other hand is having a ball.

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Drew Hay said...

One more time! I'm an old goat new to blogging, and am trying to learn to use the various symbols for emphasis. Apparently different blogs use different combinations. Hope it works this time around.

You do realize, don't you, that Colbert is playing at being a conservative buffoon? If you watch him more often, you'll catch on. He's quite clever and can be very funny. Stewart is the better of the two, I think. He's at his best when he combines his pithy insight with side-splitting humor.

Colbert's persona on his show is his shtick. In real life he's a devout Catholic and family man, with a low celebrity profile.

Limbaugh, on the other hand, is everything he appears to be.

Kirby Olson said...

Colbert's snarkiness came through loud and clear -- it seems to be a vantage point from which he can throw darts but since no one is quite sure of where he stands -- no darts can come back and hit him.

Limbaugh on the other hand takes very clear and militant stands, and is quite courageous and even foolhardy in doing so, but somehow has managed to do it for thirty years or so.

Humor is a difficult trick to pull off in such a volatile atmosphere in which war is just about to break out. I think our humorists help us to think across boundaries and to listen to the others.

It's a necessary part of democracy.

I don't think they have it or appreciate it in the more autocratic states. It's illegal to make fun of the government for instance in Myanmar.

jh said...

irony is an art

maybe kirby
you should try to see yourself in sunday school class with colbert
let him teach you like you are the young catechumen and he's the teacher
it will be a tough switch of perspective but i think you can do it

his voice is everybit as catholic as gk chesterton

jh

Kirby Olson said...

I think he goes wrong in several places. One is that he says that we should help the poor "without condition" which I think is impossible and ruinous to the country (I'd have to explain two kingdoms to this infidel). Also, I don't think Jesus ever says that the government should be Christian.

We do have a separation between church and state, do we not?

There are a lot of logic problems in the tiny paragraph I cite from him. He's completely deluded on at least four fronts.

Kirby Olson said...

Brett, send me a Youtube link from a Colbert talk that you find particularly funny. Try to keep it under five minutes, and I'll be glad to see it.

Here's another bit from Jon Stewart that I found quite insightful and funny as heck:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHzL9i2JIv8

It's about how the media simply ignores Ron Paul.

jh said...

what colbert seems to know is that it is important that a nation rally around a fantastic idea and that is stephen colbert what a fantastic idea colbertnation
let's all applaud let's all get on the train it's zaney it's preposterous but it's all very catholic it's like a festival of mockery and irony every day

where stewart has this ongoing monologue sometimes departing into dialogue with a guest colbert is constantly attending to the feelings and intuitions of his listening audience he is more of the oral tradition while stewart is sort of the talmud of late evening humour

are we duly entertained
that's the big question

cultural impoverishment
that's what colbert sees
spiritual destitution on all fronts
in the protestant work ethic discipline of a greater lockean america all that 's really happening is people are become less and less imaginative and more imprisoned in the trumped up creed of american hegemony where federalism gets to fluff up it's feathers in the face of every other concern---- wow
did i just write that

the highly disciplined state
this is what we must fear
the protestant work ethic sucks all the fun out of living

leisure
that's the ticket
that's what we want more of

marx is snoozing

jh

Drew Hay said...

I'm not Brett, and I don't know how to create a link, but if you'll Google some combination of the following, you'll find an example of Colbert at his best. And remember, he's being facetious.

Water Is Life - The Colbert Report - 2008-20-03 American Museum of Natural History to learn more about the power of water

Kirby Olson said...

I felt that Colbert turned himself into a straw man to advance straw arguments in the vid so I didn't laugh for the most part except once -- toward the end when he repeated himself and said something along the lines of -- returning to the topic of Noah's ark. It was ok.

But overly long.

I found it somewhat infuriating. I don't perceive fundamentalists as being this wholesale dumb. I think they are a lot more subtle, and openminded than most people on the left.

Call me crazy!

So I'm still not sold on Colbert.

But I did have two small chuckles in the 6 minute and 9 second vid. Anyone else got something I should see.

I did also enjoy the tour of the water exhibit at the Musem of Natural History.

How many literalists are there that insist that the earth is only 5000 years old. I know this was a huge problem a hundred and fifty years ago, but how many pastors and religious leaders stick with that viewpoint today?

I don't know anybody like that. I think it's again a caricature of people from a hundred or more years ago. I think Colbert's other "report" that I witnessed about how this is a Christian nation (newsflash -- first amendment was passed over two hundred ago and it isn't a Christian nation and I don't know of anyone who thinks it is, although maybe in some hollow in Tennessee there is some person with a beard ten feet long who thinks it is, but no prominent politician believes that this is a Christian nation) and if it is a Christian nation, then it still doesn't mean the government should help the poor.

Individuals can help individuals.

That's not against the law.

The worst thing is when people take it upon themselves to help the children of sinners. God clearly says that the sins of the fathers shall be visited upon the sons and daughters to the fourth generation.

What is government to get in the way of God?

This is clearly wrong.

Now I sound like Colbert.

It is rather fun.

J said...

dull desperate dweebs, both WASP and katholic

Meg said...

Yeah Kirb, let them eat cake! (Little Debbies preferably)

jh said...

wow
LS redux from years ago
i suggest everyone follow me into the archives
and comment on the postings made in 2004
it's the newest thing
going back in time in blogs
new explorations in the irrelevant

Brett said...

" I think it's again a REALITY OF THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT IN THE SOUTHEASTERN, MIDWESTERN, SOUTHWESTERN, AND MOUNTAIN STATES."

FTFY... Again, you don't really know your own party - you think people are all like your Lutheran upstate New York Repubs and Christians and that the evolution-denying young-earthers are a creation of the left.

They're not.

Even in Colorado, I was in prayer groups where people were praying that teachers would see the light and no longer teach the lies of evolution.

And these weren't unintelligent hicks - they were in the honors program with me, and they were my friends... But they were evangelical / Biblechurchers, which I guess you don't really have up where you are?

Kirby Olson said...

Brett, I'm not sure what you're quoting here.

Is it something I said?

I guess you'd know that region a lot better than I.

I don't think anyone believes sincerely in Creationism in these here parts, but most people in church don't really celebrates Darwin either.

I did hear once from a much older pastor that I should keep my kids out of th eMuseum of Natural History in NYC lest they develop the wrong ideas.

He seems to think the whole museum is a monument to Darwin, and that it is a secular citadel or cathedral, of Darwinism, and meant therefore to undermine the church.

He was from Virginia.

There are some scholars who actually teach in biology programs who continue to push the notion of creation. One is at Lehigh University, I think.

He wrote a book called something like The Black Box.

I should delve into those debates, but there's so little time!

I would rather read about Carrie Nation who was kind of the Pete Townsend of liquor shops.

 
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